Tatyana Navka interview with Antenna magazine. Tatiana Navka

The interview is taken by Ksenia Sobchak: “I have been living for a long time. During my life I met with a huge number of stars - from Rostropovich and Plisetskaya to Pierre Narcisse and Tarzan. But Tatyana Navka surpassed even Prima Donna in terms of capriciousness. She answered all the questions dryly, stiffly. And not only her answers, but also my questions, she mercilessly tried to remove from the interview. So these are the questions that I was forbidden to ask. Is Marat Basharov jealous? (Tatyana replied that he was different.) Did she really meet him and another man at the same time - a high-ranking official, who was also married? And is it true that he gave her an apartment in the Copernicus residential complex, where one square meter worth 20 thousand euros? Tatyana said that this was all complete nonsense, but for some reason she forbade the magazine to touch on this topic at all. But I think that doing so is dishonest, and therefore I decided to speak out before you read an interview about the talent and work of Tatiana Navka.

Photo: Manakai

On December 27, on the ice of the Moscow Megasport, the premiere of Tatyana Navka's new show "The Scarlet Flower" will take place on tale of the same name Sergei Aksakov. Shows will run until January 8th.

Producer and performer leading role told Andrei Vandenko not only about the musical, but also about relationships with colleagues, her daughter Nadia's success in learning Chinese, and Dmitry Peskov's red revolutionary trousers.

- So that's what you are, Scarlet flower!

Would you like to continue the sentence? Explained why Aksakov chose the fairy tale for the musical?

Probably, then it is necessary to explain how the idea was born in principle. A year ago, I made my debut with the premiere of the Ruslan and Lyudmila ice show. Thoughts about my own project began to appear in my mind a long time ago, several years ago. Friends, relatives constantly asked, even terrorized: "Tanya, well, when? It's time, it's time!"

- Who was especially zealous? Husband?

Dmitry Sergeevich is calm about what I do in my profession. Relies on my experience, does not press, does not insist. Might give some advice if I ask. And there was no such thing as demanding: "You must become a producer, organize your own program." Rather, on the contrary. On the one hand, he liked my idea with the first project, he was proud that everything worked out, on the other hand, from the very beginning he understood how difficult it was to promote such a story, and was worried about how I could bear such a load.

Mom was the real locomotive, the mover. She supports me in everything, believes in my strength even more than I do myself.

Mom was the real locomotive, the mover. She supports me in everything, believes in my strength even more than I do myself. From childhood, my mother said that I was the best, beautiful and talented. Like, now you will go out on the ice and tear your opponents. And it always helped a lot, added confidence. I remember when I became pregnant with my first child and internally said goodbye to the profession, resigned to the thought of leaving big-time sports, my mother immediately said: “Everything is fine, daughter, but watch your form, don’t get better. You will soon return to the ice, you should become Olympic champion." I tried to argue that we would raise a winner from my daughter and her granddaughter, but my mother categorically disagreed with such a formulation of the question. And, as you can see, she succeeded. I returned to professional sports and, together with Roman Kostomarov, won gold at the Turin Olympics.

In the situation with the show, my mother also pushed for a decision. After all, I skated in the projects of Ilya Averbukh for a long time, I was a guest star in his programs. This chapter of my life had to end sooner or later. It can also be compared with a long corridor, in which there are many, many doors. Coming out of one, it is important not to break into a closed one, but to find your own, the one that you need.

According to the [Zodiac] sign, I am Aries, a stubborn and confident person. In addition, I have good intuition, which more than once helped me not to make a mistake in choosing. From childhood I knew what I wanted. My parents insisted that I go in for gymnastics or athletics, but at the age of five I said that I would only be a figure skater, and asked me not to interfere with becoming a champion.

There are different circumstances in life. When Roman Kostomarov, at the behest of our then coach Natalya Linichuk, left for another partner, I did not begin to nurse, but immediately decided to give birth to a child, to use the pause to good use. The door opened and I entered it.

And then there were many situations when life changed diametrically.

- After leaving the sport, you had a long " ice Age", participation in the show of the First Channel.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I got into the project of Ilya Averbukh, and it was a wonderful time. We all grew up there - as artists, personalities, coaches. After all, we had to skate with amateurs, to teach adults who had taken place in people's lives to stand on skates. The problem, I want to tell you, is not the easiest. But how many new friends we have acquired!

- Who was your best partner for these ten years?

Each one is good in its own way. One is devilishly charismatic, the second keeps well on the ice, the third has an amazing sense of humor ... Marat Basharov and I made our debut, and that season stands apart. We didn’t understand anything yet, and after the Olympic Games we treated the show like a skit. I didn't care if I won or lost. Spent time in a pleasant company, and this is the main thing. At first, the rest of the guys reacted the same way. And then the sports spirit suddenly turned on, everyone began to fight for the first place. Vadim Kolganov, Andrei Burkovsky and Ville Haapasalo were excellent with skates. Just from a technical point of view. My most cheerful partner was Misha Galustyan.

In the second season, Chulpan Khamatova came and, together with Roman Kostomarov, asked very high bar. She was involved in figure skating as a child, in addition, she is insanely gifted. I'm not talking about artistic talent. Chulpan breathed new life into the project.

I repeat, it was a wonderful period. At the same time, I participated in ice shows Ilya Averbukh, including in "City Lights" and "Carmen", where she danced the leading parts ...

- And then they realized: stop working for your uncle?

In principle, everything suited me, I received a decent fee, but at the same time I realized that I couldn’t stop, I had to move on. There was no place for me in some of Ilya's projects, I depended on the taste and desires of the director and producers and gradually began to get tired of it. I understood: you need to create something of your own, while there is strength and desire, while the viewer goes to look at me. How many more years can I ride? We are not dramatic actors or opera singers who enter the stage until a very old age, remain in the profession. Our career in this sense is much more transient.

- Everything is relative. Belousova and Protopopov skated until the age of 75, if I'm not mistaken. Even participated in the competitions of veterans.

You know, everything has its time. It is necessary to be able not only to earn, but also to put an end to it, to stop. At least for me it is important to enjoy what I do. Nothing should be forced, strained. Otherwise, it will turn out to be a hack, and I am a strict self-criticist and a Samoyed, a perfectionist. I won't do bad...

Nothing should be forced, strained. Otherwise it will be a mess...

How old was your daughter at that moment?

A year old or a little more. Nadya got acquainted early with the poetry of Pushkin, Yesenin, and other great compatriots. And we listen to opera. Chinese learning with a native speaker.

Why did they stop there? In Chinese?

Languages ​​are best learned from infancy. Nadia will always master English or French, by the way, we are also slowly learning them, but with Chinese, you see, it is more difficult. And the language is interesting, it develops the left hemisphere of the brain, which is responsible for the mathematical mindset. I'm unlikely to ever master this letter, and my daughter chirps calmly. Even sometimes he specifically answers me in Chinese, knowing that I will not understand. He jokes like that, plays ...

But the topic child education I propose to discuss separately, otherwise we will never reach the "Scarlet Flower".

I return to "Ruslan and Lyudmila". I remembered that there is a film shot in the seventies of the last century, there is wonderful music Glinka, but, oddly enough, no one staged a musical based on Pushkin's first poem. Reading it again, I learned a lot. For example, unexpectedly for me, uncle Chernomor, a platoon of thirty beautiful knights, turned out to be the hero of another fairy tale. And in "Ruslan and Lyudmila" this is an evil sorcerer.

The poem is diverse, populated interesting characters. Ice choreography, as if on a knurled track, lay down on Pushkin's poems, for which we specially wrote music. Of course, they exploited Glinka a little with his wonderful opera. Let's say they used the theme of Chernomor. Why not? For the children who came to the show, familiarization with the classics definitely did not become a hindrance.

I was terribly worried. It was the first such story in my life. I don't want my enemy to go through so much stress! I forced myself to delve into not only creative, but also technical aspects associated with the use of special effects, light projections. I understood that I had to control the process from and to: it’s worth letting a little bit go by itself and - write wasted, it will definitely turn out worse than it could be. No wonder they say: if you want it to turn out well, do it yourself.

- How long have you been preparing the project?

About a year. Having started a completely new business for herself, she lost her peace and sleep. Never felt so bad. Even at the Olympic Games, she went out on the ice calmly, knowing what and how to do. Producing is a different story, in which it is much more difficult to cope with emotions. Before the premiere, she lost five kilograms. Mom, when she saw me on the eve of the performance, unsuccessfully tried to hide her tears, she really burst into tears. "Mom, what are you?!" - "Daughter, what have you brought yourself to! But don't worry, everything will be fine!"

For days on end I was lost on the ice arenas. It happened that she returned home at five or six in the morning, shaking like a hare. "Are you cold?" the husband asked. And I was pounding not from the cold - from the constant nervous tension from overflowing emotions.

We skated, rehearsed at various venues. We were given ice at Megasport, at CSKA, at Odintsovo near Moscow - thanks to everyone for their support. The premiere of the musical took place exactly one year ago - December 23, 2017 [year]. This year we will go on the ice a little later - on December 27th. I promised my family that now I would not be so nervous. As long as I hold on

- How many performances have you already given?

Last December and January, Ruslan and Lyudmila played 24 times in a row. If we count the tour performances, there were about 70 performances in a year: in addition to Moscow, also in Sochi and Kazan. At the end of last winter, they again took to the ice in the capital. As they say, by popular demand of the audience. And again gathered huge halls. Megasport has 7,000 seats, no other theater can accommodate that many. We are currently planning 25 performances with "The Scarlet Flower".

- Did everyone who was planned to be involved in the project respond to the invitation?

Unfortunately, Roman Kostomarov, with whom I won the Olympic Games in 2006, does not skate with me. I sympathize with his decision. Roma needs to feed his family, he chose an established story with Averbukh. Three summer months Ilya's team lives and performs in Sochi. Of course, Roman could skate with me on New Year and return, but was frightened by the reaction of Averbukh. Each blacksmith of his own happiness. Roma knows that he can come to me at any moment, he is always waiting for him. We are made for each other, so given by fate.

It is very important when two self-sufficient people live side by side, without infringing on each other and without demanding anything from a partner but love.

Since I first encountered such a wave of lies and anger, I was shocked. Didn't understand why? It seems to be a wedding, bright and clean holiday from which everyone should get tremendous pleasure. Why spoil it in such an obscene way? Dmitry Sergeevich, a more seasoned comrade in this sense, tried to calm me down, and then I began to react more calmly to everything. A protective shell has grown. I realized that I need to live my life, do work, husband, children.

I like the phrase that Tatyana Anatolyevna Tarasova repeats: "Tanks are not afraid of dirt." So I tried to become such a "tank". It's a shame one thing: these gossip, idle conversations take time and effort. But Dmitry Sergeevich and I know that we live honestly, we don’t commit nasty and mean things, we work a lot. AT recent weeks we hardly see each other because of the load. My husband had a business trip, then preparations were underway for a big press conference of the President of the country, for me - the last days before the premiere. Sometimes we meet at breakfast and ask each other the question: "Why do we need this? Why can't we live like normal people?"

- And what do you answer?

It is very important when two self-sufficient people live side by side, without infringing on each other and without demanding anything from a partner except love. In my opinion, this is the key to a happy family life.

Are you talking about working from home?

I can talk about mine, but almost none of his. I try not to ask too many questions. The case when you know less, sleep better. Yes, and Dmitry Sergeevich wants to take a break from worries. He never parted with mobile phone, even on a Sunday afternoon does not turn it off for an hour. How many times I persuaded ... There is only one answer: "I can't, I can't." The husband is a very responsible person. In everything. In work, in relation to children, wife, relatives, friends, colleagues.

In this we are similar. But my circle of concerns, of course, is much more modest. There are periods when the load subsides. Literally today I carved out half a day and sat with Nadyusha. Had a wonderful time.

- Petitioners do not pester you, Tatyana?

This has become too much. "Please pass it on to Dmitry Sergeevich" ... Or immediately to Vladimir Vladimirovich. At first I tried to laugh it off, saying that I see the president of the country very often. Almost daily. And almost always on TV.

Then I realized: humor does not save. I immediately began to refuse, so as not to inspire hope.

It's harder with friends. They get offended when I say I can't help. And I really can't! How do you imagine that? I come home and start attacking my husband with requests from strangers? What will he say to me?

- Requests are also different.

Yes, it happens that a person needs real help and support in a hopeless situation. A couple of times I turned on and achieved results. But this is rather an exception. Unfortunately, you can’t warm everyone, it’s beyond my physical and moral strength. Although, I confess, it is very difficult to refuse a person.

My husband and I often help sick children, the elderly, but we never advertise this. Maybe, over time, I will be more involved in charity work, create own fund or I will enter the existing one, while I am concentrated on figure skating.

- Ask yourself the question: how much is still ahead?

You know, after the Olympics, I thought that I would ride five more years at the most, and that’s it. In 2011 [the year] I decided: in a year we will celebrate the forty-fifth birthday of Dmitry Sergeyevich, I will arrange a mini-show for him on ice, I will congratulate my loved one and after that I will hang my skates with a clear conscience. Indeed, I called my friends, rented a small ice rink, we organized a demonstration performance for relatives and friends.

Then a new goal appeared: to make her husband even more big show on his half-century anniversary. In 2017, Dmitry Sergeevich celebrated his fiftieth birthday, and I was preparing for the premiere of the musical Ruslan and Lyudmila. From myself, my children and friends made a video film for my husband. It was touching and funny.

It would seem that all the scheduled dates have been passed, you can stop. Instead, another premiere is on the way. I have already realized that it is better not to guess. Today is focused on scarlet flower", until January 8, my life is scheduled, and then ... As it will be, so it will be. You definitely won't be bored.

Marie Claire: Who do you think has a lighter personality?

Sasha: Ouch.

Tatiana: My daughter always says to me: “Mom, it's only you who think that you have easy temper(laughs).

Sasha: My mom says the same thing to me. It seems to me that I don’t show my character with strangers, only with relatives. Sometimes I get busy. Not immediately, but it lets me go, and then everything is fine. I am working on myself, eradicating such traits.

What trait is there in Sasha that you lack, Tatyana?

Tatiana: I do not even know. It seems to me that everything is enough. Probably, Sasha is wise beyond her years. I can tell you what Sasha lacks (perhaps because of his age). She can come, sit down and look at one point. Or on the phone. During this time I have already changed clothes and managed to do something. I say to Sasha: “You lost 30 minutes, you just threw this time away.” She replies, "Mom, not everyone is like you." I, too, in my youth did not value time. As you get older, you start thinking differently.

Do you have boundaries of personal space? For example, my wardrobe is your wardrobe. Do you exist in different territories?

Sasha: We have a common wardrobe. If I need, I can take some of my mother's things.

Tatiana: I have one requirement: that Sasha treats things with respect. We have things for two. For example, we recently bought a sweater for a couple.

Psychologists believe that a mother-daughter relationship goes through four stages. Phases typically last 7–10 years. You are classified in the third phase. And the first stage is complete unity with mom. Do you remember yourself until you were seven years old, Sasha?

Sasha: I remember myself and my mother. Despite the fact that she was constantly busy with training, she never spared me free time. Definitely, I had enough of my mother's love and care.

Can you give an example: are you very small with your mother?

Sasha: There are many such moments in my memory, for example, she takes me from kindergarten by car. Or a weekend walk in the park with friends. We then lived in America. I was really looking forward to when the weekdays were over and my mother would take me with her to the mall - there she bought me a pretzel (pretzel).

Tatiana: It was important to give the pretzel, she fell silent for an hour. And she sat in the stroller as if enchanted ... Do you remember how I cut your hair bald?

I was afraid that I had caused psychological trauma to the child

Sasha: Ah, yes. I was three years old. I didn't even cry, I think, but I started to get upset the next day when I realized that I looked like a boy.

Tatiana: I did it to make my hair thicker. Sasha's hair did not grow for a very long time. I kept waiting, waiting. According to Russian traditions, they cut their hair every year. I think: “Why cut? And that's how they grow." Two years - do not grow. Two and a half - do not grow. At three, I decide: "The child's hair does not grow, because I did not cut it in time." And we experimented.

Sasha: But then I was already beginning to feel like a girl, wearing only dresses.

Tatiana: Sasha tried to hide the lack of hair, wrapped towels around her head, pulled on tights. At that time I was still afraid for a long time that I had inflicted psychological trauma on the child. But now you see what hair. They grew when they were meant to. On my youngest - Nadezhda - I no longer experiment, of course (laughs).

Tatyana, what was Sasha like before the age of seven? What is the first thing you remember?

Tatiana: She was a brawler, a bully. Cheerful girl with character. Didn't sit still. Wasn't afraid of anything. Kind. Well, just like now.

Do German pretzels still work today?

Sasha: We try not to eat them ... I also remembered from the bright childhood moments - pride in my mother at the Olympics in Turin. I was six, I watched from the podium how my mother was skating, I still didn’t quite understand that it was all so grandiose, that it was the Olympic Games, that she had been going to this all her life. Grandma was crying. Everyone prayed. And then when you won, everyone yelled. And I realized that my mother won everyone. Already after the award ceremony, you drove up and took me from the podium in your arms, swept me around the entire stadium.

Tatiana A: It was forbidden. A bunch of policemen ran after me shouting: “You can’t!” I felt that at that moment I was the most powerful person in the world. I can do whatever I want. I deserved. We will never forget this.

We are getting to the second stage, when a teenager tries to argue with his mother. When did Sasha decide to be independent?

Sasha: Actually, I argued with early childhood, it seems to me. That is, my arguing disposition is just a character. But I know what is possible and what is not. So I haven't had any problems so far.

Tatiana: Yes, you just had no time. You were serious about sports.

Whose decision was it to go into the sport?

Sasha: They gave me away. Like everyone else.

Tatiana: We had no alternatives. Only sport. Another thing - figure skating or tennis.

Sasha: Dad played tennis at the weekend. And he took me with him. I liked tennis much more than figure skating. And it went by itself. I studied in two countries - in Russia and in France. And at 15 I had a back injury.

Sasha, was it embarrassing?

Sasha: If it was a shame, I would not quit tennis.

Tatiana: She went to this for a long time. I saw her fear, which I know from my own experience: there is no life after sport. From here the singing appeared, it was necessary to somehow support Sasha and not let her get lost.

Mothers who walk away proudly and never ask for forgiveness, what do they teach?

Sasha, but this meant not only that you would leave the sport. The way of life has changed. You returned to the house. I understand correctly?

Sasha: Yes, I returned home, but I didn’t do anything abroad that I couldn’t do in Moscow. Of course, I want to spend time with my friends. I will follow. It's just not the point.

And what is the main thing?

Tatiana: I'm telling you - she's too old.

Sasha: The main thing is to work, to work. To then...

Tatiana: ... after forty confidently stand on their feet.

Sasha: Yes, and hanging out with friends (laughs).

I listen to you and understand: when people can talk so calmly about relationships, shortcomings, feelings, this is a diagnosis of a healthy person. Your relationship is very even, correct. And it seems to be completely without roughness ...

Tatiana: Of course, it happens, we swear. Sometimes Sasha gets angry because her mother has a lot to do. Or I ask the same question 150 times.

Sasha: Yes, and I'm rolling my eyes because 150 times is too much. And my mother answered the classic: “How can you talk to your mother like that?”

Who is the first to go to the world?

Tatiana A: Well, at first I did. She came, regretted, asked for forgiveness, despite the fact that she understood: Sasha was initially wrong, and I only that there was not enough endurance to remain silent.

Sasha: Yes, you always come when there is a serious quarrel, you are wiser.

Tatiana: Even native people cannot live in a sterile relationship. And then, mothers who walk away proudly and never ask for forgiveness, what do they teach? So that the child adulthood behaved in exactly the same way: ran away, slamming the door, did not talk to her husband, children for weeks - and all this just because of pride? In my opinion, this is stupid and weak.

Sasha: Well, yes. I began to say more often: “Sorry, I was wrong.”

Sasha, is there a personal territory where you do not allow your mother?

Sasha: Personal territory in terms of the room?

Tatiana: Probably wider. For example, I cannot open Sasha's phone and look at it. Or rather, I can, but if she allows me.

Is the password worth it?

Tatiana: Of course. Nevertheless, Sasha takes my phone and always looks. To this I say: "Unfair."

From which I conclude that Tatyana's phone is not password protected or Sasha knows the password.

Sasha: I know, yes.

Now, of course, Sasha loves her sister. Buys gifts for her

Doesn't your mom know?

Sasha: Maybe he knows. I do not know.

How well do you know each other? Sasha, name, for example, three things that can cheer up your mother.

Tatiana: Have you ever thought about it?

Sasha: Well, be the most in good mood.

That is, your mother reacts to your mood?

Sasha: Yes. For her, this is the main thing.

So. Kiss your mom?

Sasha: Well I do not know. It was normal as a child, but now it is very strange.

All this passes, you understand, when the fourth phase comes - in your case, in 5-7 years. You begin to realize how lucky you are with your mother ... Tatyana, and the same question for you about Sasha. What needs to be done so that Sasha has a day?

Sasha: I myself have to lay down my day.

Tatiana: If you have Bad mood, then nothing will help. I bring her out of this state by talking.

Sasha, I’ll put the question in a different way: what could mom do during the day to make you feel good? We remember the first rule: don't ask the same question 150 times.

Tatiana A: Well, probably don't call often. So?

Sasha: Overprotective, yes. And don't doubt me. Sometimes my mother will ask me to do something, I will do it, and she calls, and I hear from her tone: I’m sure that I didn’t even take it. I understand what is important and what can wait.

Tell me, do you give advice to your mother? Give an example of when you recommended something to your mother and she listened..

Sasha: Mom will have a show "Ruslan and Lyudmila" now. She thought about the promotional poster for a long time. I gave her a couple of ideas on colors, design.

Your family is big. Sasha, are you jealous of your mother?

Sasha A: I love being alone. If you leave me alone, I will only be glad. Therefore, there is no such thing that I take it out and put it together with my mother.

Tatiana: And I need. In the evening, at the entrance to the house, I write to her: “Sasha, I have returned. Come to your mother” (laughs).

I saw on Instagram that you got a dog. It's always a lot of emotion.

Tatiana: Yes, we got Michelle three days ago. Chose between Michelle and Chanel.

Sasha: She is very similar to a bear, so Michelle.

Is this your first pet?

Tatiana: No, no, we had a dog. She died in March. Michelle is bigger than Nadine.

Sasha: They gave Nadia, but she is a common one.

When you have a little sister, how does it feel? When you yourself are already an adult, and your sister is small.

Sasha: She is beautiful. Always in a good mood. She already has a sense of humor, I think. She tells stories so seriously and it's funny and sweet.

Tatiana: When I got pregnant, Sasha was 13 years old, she had fears, of course.

Sasha A: I still needed full attention.

Tatiana: And she was afraid, because she was used to being the one and only. Thank God, Sasha shared this with me. When Sasha found out that I was pregnant, she made such a face and openly said: “I see! .. Are you sure?” And then she began to make a wish that it was a boy.

Sasha: Well, yes, I am one girl and one boy, that is, the attention to me and the boy is equal.

Tatiana: And now, of course, Sasha loves Nadia, she buys gifts for her.

Sasha A: And nothing has changed. Not a drop.

Tatyana Navka and Dmitry Peskov are raising their daughter Nadezhda. Now the girl is 2.3 years old. According to the famous figure skater, she is more strict with the baby than her father and other relatives. “I have discipline, I’m probably more strict than our dad and everyone else,” sports hardening affects. what you can’t do, and what you can, and explain in detail why. I distinguish, for example, the time when you can fool around, and when you need to follow the rules, "Tatiana said.

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Navka is sure that it is necessary to instill discipline and rules from birth. “Many parents make a mistake, because in infancy they allow everything without exception. And when the child starts crying, screaming, they follow him. And then the children come to school as spoiled hooligans. And it’s too late to educate,” the skater concluded.

The athlete noted that if Nadia needs something, she goes to her mother and asks permission. But Dmitry Peskov is more loyal. “Daddy, due to the fact that he sees her much less often because of employment, work schedule, of course, mostly the daughter loves and pampers. And I really like it,” Starhit quotes Navka.

According to Tatyana, the youngest daughter collected best qualities her and her husband, as well as other relatives. "It can be calm, it can be whispery, playful. Since childhood - real woman, likes to sit at my dressing table and, imitating my mother, pretends to put on makeup. This is very funny to watch. Despite the fact that she is still quite small, her daughter loves life, she likes everything, her eyes are burning. She loves to sing, dance, read, swim, go to the circus, the zoo. I am sure she will grow up to be a radiant, interesting, multifaceted person. The main thing is that it is surrounded by a lot loving people. This is happiness," Tatyana Navka is sure.

This year, February 23 coincides with the closing of the Olympic Games in Sochi. So we decided to please our defenders and at the same time the fans with an interview with one of the most beautiful Russian athletes, figure skater Tatyana Navka. The interview was published in KhlebSol magazine in January-February 2014, and was conducted, as usual, by Yulia Vysotskaya.

Tatyana Navka is a Russian figure skater, Olympic champion in 2006, two-time world champion, three-time European champion. Tatyana was born in Ukraine, in Dnepropetrovsk. Translated from Ukrainian, "navka" means "mermaid". Which, in fact, is not far from the truth.

Julia Vysotskaya: We will have a delicious conversation. About food. But not in the sense of how to lose weight, but in the sense of what food generally means to you. What place does it occupy in your life?

Tatiana Navka: Food is one of the first places in my life. I am from Ukraine. But, to my shame, recent times Due to her profession, she rarely cooks. All her life she cooked borscht, and made cutlets, and pancakes. And National dishes. I love to cook and I love to eat delicious food. But, as you understand, from childhood I was always limited in food. Scales for me have become something terribly unpleasant. I don't step on the scale anymore.

Julia Vysotskaya: I also never weigh myself. Libra is our ill-wisher, they do not like us.

Tatiana Navka: I have developed such an aversion to them since childhood that ...

Julia Vysotskaya: Is it because they were weighed by force?!

Tatiana Navka: Yes, they were constantly weighed. One hundred grams there, one hundred grams back. I have so many stories about weighing!

Julia Vysotskaya: Tanya, do you think this leaves a mark on the child? After all, there are two theories. Some in childhood are forbidden everything - from sugar to bread. And some, on the contrary, everything is allowed. But today there really is such a danger: children eat a lot of sugar. We didn't have that many in our childhood. And sugar leads to overweight. And I'm worried about this, but, to be honest, I don't know how to influence it. How to make sure that there are no complexes, so that the child does not start to be afraid of food. Do you have this fear of food? Due to the fact that you have to weigh yourself all the time, go on diets ...

Tatiana Navka: There was fear, of course. But that didn't make me eat less sweets. It seems to me that in this matter it is necessary to act with explanations, not prohibitions. The more you forbid, the more the child will want. Forbidden fruit, you know, is sweet... I had one very funny story with weighing. My first partner was also always very worried before weighing. First, he should wear it. And secondly, you just need to look good on the ice. The figure skater should look like a ballerina in appearance: thin, fragile, miniature. So, after the next weighing, I go and buy a big piece of cake, go into the subway with it, bite off it with a breath, and suddenly someone is on my shoulder like that ... I turn around and see my partner. He grabs the remaining piece of cake and throws it right in my face, saying, "Are you full?" But I'm not a blunder girl, with character! I scrape the rest of the cake off my face and back into my partner.

Julia Vysotskaya: Of course, “but carry you to me later!”

Tatiana Navka: There was a lot going on with the weigh-ins. Coach me after weighing sometimes literally head against the wall. But it seems to me that all this was useless. In principle, I was a very responsible child both in my studies and in training. Never missed class. But there were days when I was so tired from everything that I just could not get out of bed and go to the next workout. Then I called the coach and partner and said that I was sick. And for two or three days I just lay on the bed, watched TV, and there was always an impressive pile of sweets near the bed. It was such a revenge on everything and everyone in the world.

Julia Vysotskaya: It was such an antidepressant you had ...

Tatiana Navka: I lived in Moscow alone, without a mother. And that's how I brought myself into psychological balance.

Julia Vysotskaya: Well, you're in such wonderful shape now. Apparently, your sweet revenge did not affect appearance. You have such a healthy and joyful look and excellent physical condition. So your psyche has not suffered from such terrible bullying?

Tatiana Navka: No, it wasn't hurt, thank God. But I think it's genetics. AND…

Julia Vysotskaya:…physical exercise.

Tatiana Navka: Of course. Genetics genetics. It seems to me that any self-respecting woman, at least sometimes, is engaged in self-criticism: here I have too much, and here ... I am exactly the same. And if I forget everything, lie down on the sofa and do not play sports, I will immediately blur and become ugly. And then, we, athletes, generally have to plow all our lives, because loads are our drug.

Julia Vysotskaya: Yes, it's a chemical balance.

Tatiana Navka: Nothing without sports.

Julia Vysotskaya: What else do you do besides skating?

Tatiana Navka: Now I'll tell you everything. When I stood on the Olympic podium with a gold medal and tears flowed in a stream ... Everyone thought that they were flowing from happiness. Of course, they flowed from this too. But even in my head the thought was spinning all the time: “Well, that's it, finally! I will never go to the gym again in my life!”

Julia Vysotskaya: So you made that decision right then?

Tatiana Navka: Even earlier. When was the last training day before leaving for the Olympics in Turin. You know, it was such an amazing feeling! No more running, push-ups, lifting all these weights. I don't have to torture myself anymore. And now, almost eight years have passed since that Olympics. And only this summer I suddenly realized: if I continue to continue ...

Julia Vysotskaya:… get high?

Tatiana Navka: Yes. Nothing good will come of it. Of course, I tried to replace it with yoga, Pilates. Everything is not right! Such an effect does not work. And so I finally got myself a coach. And two or three times a week we go with Tina Kandelaki to the same fitness club. All summer I went in for sports and, surprisingly, I enjoyed it a lot.

Julia Vysotskaya: It's so important to enjoy what you do! And what do you remember from your childhood, taste associations, Ukraine, maybe something from your mother?

Tatiana Navka: You know, I can, as they say, sell my homeland for Napoleon.

Julia Vysotskaya: For my mother?

Tatiana Navka: For my mother and for any well-made "Napoleon".

Julia Vysotskaya: What is he, your "Napoleon"?

Tatiana Navka: In Moscow, we have a place called ... Remember, the former ship ... "Swallow" ?! That's the best "Napoleon" in the world. Highly recommend.

Julia Vysotskaya: Is he so wet there? FROM custard Or with butter?

Tatiana Navka: With custard, of course. When my mother baked it, my sister and I were trusted to pierce the cakes so that they would not swell. It seems to me that all the best taste memories from childhood. New Year, "Napoleon", Olivier ... All from childhood.

Julia Vysotskaya: What are you cooking?

Tatiana Navka: What am I cooking? When we lived in America (until 1996, Tatyana Navka lived in the USA. - Approx. Ed.), Your programs “We eat at home” were shown there all the time. And I thought: “Someday I will take notes, and then cook it all.” And now the Olympics are over, almost eight years have passed, and I'm still waiting for when I will have time to cook. To be honest, I love to cook, but so far I do everything in a quick way. She ran in, made some kind of salad with crab, or quickly fried the meat.

Julia Vysotskaya: Come on, give me a recipe. What are you doing so fast? So you will come home today and what will you do?

Tatiana Navka: I'll buy a steak, I'll fry it. I will make Baku-style tomatoes and onions. I love crab salad with arugula or tuna. I like to do things quickly. In general, I do everything in life quickly and cook quickly. At one time, when I just got married, I also baked pies and pancakes, made cakes. But it so happened that I ate it all myself.

Julia Vysotskaya: That is, pancakes did not pave the way to the heart of a man?

Tatiana Navka: Yes, they didn't. Everyone lost weight around, trained. And I thought, what am I digging my own grave with pancakes. This is where my baking experience ended. When the child was small, of course, I did everything myself.

Julia Vysotskaya: What other weaknesses do you have besides Napoleon? What do you allow yourself sometimes?

Tatiana Navka: I don't eat bread at all. But in Paris it is simply impossible. I can eat the most ordinary baguette there. There's some kind of unreal bread. And there I eat as much as I want.

Julia Vysotskaya: Well, not in Paris. all year round you are. Arrived for a week - and that's it!

Tatiana Navka: Then there is such a load - mother do not worry! You go shopping - the energy leaves the sea. In general, I am weak-willed.

Julia Vysotskaya: Come on! You?! Said the Olympic champion!

Tatiana Navka: I swear! When it comes to food, I'm weak-willed.

Julia Vysotskaya: What can seduce you? Chocolate?

Tatiana Navka: But no! I don't care for chocolate!

Julia Vysotskaya: Pizza, pasta?

Tatiana Navka: This is possible. Pasta vongole! I love Italy and everything related to Italy. By the way, when I found out that the Olympic Games would be in Turin, I said: “We will definitely win them!” It was 100% my Olympics. It even seems to me that in the past I was Italian or my husband was Italian. After all, Italians are very similar to us.

Julia Vysotskaya: If we talk about your ideal country to taste, is it Italy? Not China, not Japan, not France? And in Italy you eat everything? And meat? And pasta? And tiramisu?

Tatiana Navka: Basically, of course, I eat fish and seafood in Italy.

Julia Vysotskaya: What about Russian cuisine? How does she marry you?

Tatiana Navka: Wonderful! Olivier, vinaigrette.

Julia Vysotskaya: Well, this is such a Soviet food after all. And if we talk about buckwheat porridge, pies ...

Tatiana Navka: I also like buckwheat porridge, with butter, fried. Everyone says: you have to sit on buckwheat porridge. So I sat on porridge with butter m.

Julia Vysotskaya: This is how it goes well with butter (laugh).

Tatiana Navka: You know, everything about diets is not about me.

Julia Vysotskaya: Not?!

Tatiana Navka: No. I physically can't sleep hungry.

Julia Vysotskaya: For me, diet and insomnia are two girlfriends.

Tatiana Navka: In general, I believe that a person should live with pleasure. I went to the gym with pleasure this summer and eat with the same pleasure.

Julia Vysotskaya: What is on your menu today? Don't eat bread!

Tatiana Navka: And I try to avoid porridge.

Julia Vysotskaya: That is, you try to avoid dangerous carbohydrates.

Tatiana Navka: I also rarely eat sweets. And in childhood, she screwed up. My daughter is 13 and we have the same problems. Of course, I do not close the refrigerator from her and sometimes I bring her something tasty. But I explain: “Sashul, you understand, at the beginning you eat well, meat, fish. And then you can eat the cake as much as you want.”

Julia Vysotskaya: But she plays tennis seriously. Does this sound like your skating romance?

Tatiana Navka: Yes, very similar.

Julia Vysotskaya: Because I say: children to the theater? Children are artists? Never!!!

Tatiana Navka: Now I also say that children are athletes - never! But it's' too late.

Julia Vysotskaya: The train left?

Tatiana Navka: Unfortunately yes! It is very difficult! And why with the theater - never?

Julia Vysotskaya: So everything has changed. It used to be a heroic profession. The artist and director - they were heroes. And now you don’t need to be especially talented, you just need to get into the clip, become a media person - that’s all. And that's not fair! It's not fair! And therefore, if you have a gift, all this hurts very much and you suffer. And all this energy does not find a splash. Your mother, by the way, was with us at the play.

Tatiana Navka: Both yesterday and the day before. Twice.

Julia Vysotskaya: Andrey Sergeevich planned it that way - one performance should follow another. First "Uncle Vanya", then "Three Sisters".

Tatiana Navka: I was supposed to go too, but, as usual, I couldn't.

Julia Vysotskaya: Be sure to come.

Tatiana Navka: I have such a crazy schedule...

Julia Vysotskaya: Yes, you have skates. Tell me what are you doing there? It's so interesting!

Tatiana Navka: To be honest, we are lucky that we met. There is no time for anything. I still don't understand how I agreed to the interview. I just really wanted to get to know you.

Julia Vysotskaya: I'm very pleased. I also wanted to meet you for a long time. This is our Olympic number, and we really wanted such an Olympic beauty. Tell me what are you doing now?

Tatiana Navka: Oh, I have a lot now. Both repairs and...

Julia Vysotskaya: Oh, renovation! Then it's clear.

Tatiana Navka: A child who needs to plan his day very clearly: school, training, training again, a dentist, another doctor, my skates. The head is swollen. All kinds of interviews, TV trips, radio trips. It all makes my life just impossible.

Julia Vysotskaya: Yes, this is such a separate work ... Tell me, does the “Ice Age” give you a second wind?

Tatiana Navka: It's great that there is such a project. This time my partner was Artem Mikhalkov. It is very pleasant to work with him. Although Artem is just an anti-sportsman. Usually people have at least some coordination, some kind of predisposition to sports ...

Julia Vysotskaya: How can you put an anti-sportsman on skates and perform such miracles with him?

Tatiana Navka: Artem stands on skates very confidently. But with coordination, with body memory ...

Julia Vysotskaya: How many hours did the training take?

Tatiana Navka: Four hours a day.

Julia Vysotskaya: Tan, well, you are a hero! I really hope that you will not lose the hunt, as in Turin. And you will not cry with happiness that the project is finally over and you will never enter the Ice Age arena again.

Tatiana Navka: Of course, at first you exhale that, thank God, the project is over. But then it becomes boring without him. But, you know, Artyom must be given his due - he has an amazing capacity for work and he tried very hard.

Julia Vysotskaya: So now you divide yourself between family life and training. What are your plans for rest? What will you be doing in the coming months. What are you planning for your happiness?

Tatiana Navka: Yes, it's just New Years.

Julia Vysotskaya: Do you meet him in Moscow?

Tatiana Navka: Always at home. I love to celebrate the New Year in Moscow. Snow, Olivier, Santa Claus, Christmas tree, President ...

Julia Vysotskaya: Santa Claus will come to you? Come on!

Tatiana Navka: Yes, Santa Claus always comes to us. We usually dress up someone of our own. We have a dedamoroz suit. I have a child up to eight years old believed in him. And then suddenly she somehow asked: “Why does Santa Claus have a shirt like Uncle Tigran’s?” (They laugh.) Therefore, Santa Claus is a sacred thing for our company.

Julia Vysotskaya: What about skiing?

Tatiana Navka: After the New Year, yes, but the New Year itself is always in Moscow.

Julia Vysotskaya: Where are you going? Where are you walking?

Tatiana Navka: Yes, everywhere.

Julia Vysotskaya: But where do you like it best? Austria, Italy… After all, from a gastronomic point of view, they are all different. Fondue in France or in Switzerland...

Tatiana Navka: Of course, in France or in Italy. Austria doesn't really appeal to me.

Julia Vysotskaya: Do you bring food from your trips?

Tatiana Navka: But how! From Italy.

Julia Vysotskaya: What are you carrying?

Tatiana Navka: Wine is obvious!

Julia Vysotskaya: Wait, wait! That's very interesting about wine.

Tatiana Navka: Wine, of course, Italian.

Julia Vysotskaya: White? Red?

Tatiana Navka: Any. I also like American wine.

Julia Vysotskaya: That is Californian... After all, wine is present in your life as an object of pleasure.

Tatiana Navka: I don't know if we can talk about it - after all, I'm an athlete. I am sometimes asked: "How many glasses of wine do you drink in a week." I answer: “Glasses or bottles?” (Laugh.)

Julia Vysotskaya: I understand you very well. This is both for the mood and for the general condition ... I'm looking at the Italians or the French. When they sit down to dinner, they always allow themselves a glass of wine.

Tatiana Navka: Yes, they have this constant ritual. In the summer I most often visit Italy. Therefore, I bring botarga, olive oil from there ...

Julia Vysotskaya: Oh, botarga! And what do you cook from botarga?

Tatiana Navka: Pasta can be cooked. Why am I telling you, you know better than me...

Julia Vysotskaya: But I'm really interested! Everyone has their own recipes and their own botarga ...

Tatiana Navka: We have one simply amazing family dish. It helps a lot if you need to cook something quickly in the evening, and there are only hungry relatives around. Moreover, it satisfies hunger and helps to lose weight. That is, you will eat and lose weight. Although botarga is a fatty dish. Here is my recipe: chop the celery, pour olive oil over it and botarga on top.

Julia Vysotskaya: And do you know how delicious it can be? These huge tomatoes are a bull's heart. Of these, you can make a thick carpaccio, on top a little olive oil, then - botarga and a little garlic, chopped. This is delicious!

Tatiana Navka: What else am I bringing? Botarga, sausage, cheese... What else to bring?

Julia Vysotskaya: Who what. For example, do you know what I'm taking? I ship coffee, I ship cheese, I ship ham, I ship pasta. In Italy there is one manufacturer - Moncini. No one else has this pasta. This is spaghetti, which is impossible to digest. I'm taking rice.

Tatiana Navka: From Italy? Rice?

Julia Vysotskaya: Well, yes! Risotto requires special rice. Truffles sometimes drive. But oysters, truffles - all these gourmet bourgeois things, are they close to you?! How old were you when you tried oysters?

Tatiana Navka: In adulthood.

Julia Vysotskaya: It is clear that not at the age of eight (laugh).

Tatiana Navka: By the way, I love oysters. Especially in France. Oysters, champagne are sacred.

Julia Vysotskaya: Well, yes! Bread and butter - in the morning. Then oysters and champagne.

Tatiana Navka: And in Sardinia there are things like vongole, only long ones.

Julia Vysotskaya: I know they are called cannolikki.

Tatiana Navka: Everything in Italy is delicious. I don't even know what I would say no to. For example, I am completely indifferent to shrimp. But in Italy, I eat them with pleasure. Shrimps and langoustines...

Julia Vysotskaya: Do you buy groceries in Moscow yourself?

Tatiana Navka: Well, I'm going to the market...

Julia Vysotskaya: There are lured grandmothers, grandfathers?

Tatiana Navka: Of course there is. Cottage cheese, meat ... Everything is like everyone else.

Julia Vysotskaya: What is a typical day for you? What do you eat for breakfast?

Tatiana Navka: Mostly dairy products. Cottage cheese or yogurt. Unfortunately, I can't find ricotta in Moscow. I even brought back this box of ricotta from my last trip to Italy.

Julia Vysotskaya: Yes, in a vacuum. I bring it all the time too. True, ricotta is in some stores in Moscow. You just have to ask them to honestly say whether it is fresh or not. Because this ricotta spoils very quickly.

Tatiana Navka: What else do I have for breakfast? Eggs, scrambled eggs, sausages…

Julia Vysotskaya: Coffee or tea?

Tatiana Navka: The morning, of course, starts with coffee.

Julia Vysotskaya: Do you eat three times a day? Just be honest!

Tatiana Navka: Of course not.

Julia Vysotskaya: How? Two? One?

Tatiana Navka: It works twice. Sometimes I catch something else. But not three. Three fails.

Julia Vysotskaya: Well, at night - it's sacred. Turn on the TV, come to the kitchen...

Tatiana Navka: Especially under Vanya Urgant ...

Julia Vysotskaya: Yes Yes. You are without bread. And I also like to run something rye into the toaster so that the smell goes.

Tatiana Navka: Yes, a glass of wine and Vanya Urgant ...

Julia Vysotskaya: Wonderful! I need to know one more important thing from you. Is your kitchen the heart of your home?

Tatiana Navka: Yes, my kitchen...

Julia Vysotskaya: Whole life is in the kitchen?

Tatiana Navka: Of course. During the previous renovation, I was looking for a kitchen for a very long time. I found it and told my designer: “I want this kitchen!” And she says to me: “Do you understand that this kitchen costs as much as all your furniture put together?” And I answer her: “It doesn't matter. I want this!" The kitchen is the most important place in my house. We have a separate living room with a large table, but there is an island in the kitchen with "chicken" chairs. And everyone swarms around this island, closer to the refrigerator.

Julia Vysotskaya: Name five things you must have in your kitchen.

Tatiana Navka: TV, fridge… What else?

Julia Vysotskaya: Here in my kitchen I must have a good bottle of champagne in the fridge, dark chocolate, coffee is right ... Music - I turn on Vakarchuk “I won’t give up without a fight”, and even at five in the morning I’m fine, despite the fact that five days before that I didn’t sleeping.

Tatiana Navka: Well, then I must have candles, a botarga (laugh), a bottle of wine, preferably both white and red (to have a choice). By the way, again, when I was doing that renovation right after the Olympics in Turin, they put a small wine refrigerator for me, and I asked: “God, why do I need such a big one?” And today I'm already "not enough chain mail." Also in my kitchen there is a special drawer for pens, notepads, letters, various documents.

Julia Vysotskaya: And the last question: how do you relax, how do you relax?

Tatiana Navka: Unfortunately, I can't leave often. Many people go on vacation with their children in autumn and spring. In our family, this is not possible. Therefore, there is a New Year, after it mountains and skiing, or, conversely, warmer climes- swim. True, in the summer there is an opportunity to leave for all three months. And then it's the sea and Italy. And in Everyday life once a week, a bathhouse, movies, books, girlfriends are sacred. If not Vanya Urgant, then girlfriends (laugh). You know, I'm such a person - I try to find positive moments in everything. And if at least some hint of depression or unnecessary excitement suddenly appears, I try to get out of this state right there.

Julia Vysotskaya: I understand this very well. There, in this state it is impossible! Tanya, thank you so much. We talked heartily...

Tatiana Navka: We should have met for a long time.