Okhlobystin interview. Ivan Okhlobystin: “My children will get out of any difficult situation

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: This is the “Bla-Blandinki” program. We begin. Olga Danilevich.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Our guest today is...

O. DANILEVICH: And this is Katechka stuttering, because we waited, waited, and were nervous. We waited. Actor, director, screenwriter, writer, priest. Temporarily, however, he was removed from service, but at will. Ivan Okhlobystin is with us. Hello, Ivan.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Hello.

O. DANILEVICH: What a joy.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You know, Ivan is so fashionable. You should have seen it. Tanned. With a fashionable hairstyle, in a fashionable T-shirt. Very beautiful. The T-shirt says, not in Russian, that Jesus loves Ivan more than all of us. Just so you know, just in case.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The children dress me. There's nothing you can do about it. You need to sacrifice.

O. DANILEVICH: What do you mean? You get up in the morning...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I get up in the morning. Children don't trust my taste. And since we then have to go roller skating together (and the girls are already of marriageable age), they picked up approximately what would be good for when I arrived. The only thing is that I will change my pants to shorts. And this is how they dressed me.

O. DANILEVICH: What kind of shorts? Knee-high or below?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Knee-deep. I love Thor Steinar, those made of thick fabric, those cargo ones (when the pockets are sewn on - this is called the “cargo” style)…

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: I thought that even in the summer you wear these boots with flames.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: With flame. They are beautiful. I take care of them. I missed them.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: It’s hot now, it seems to me.

O. DANILEVICH: Are you saving for the parishioners?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I hope so. Including. Grannies will miss it.

O. DANILEVICH: In one interview you admitted that at first it scared the grandmothers a little, and then they began to worry when they saw it in the summer.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They were worried when I didn’t put it on: is everything okay, what is my money... We had a symphony. An experienced monk told me that if you don’t want one of our occupational diseases (for clergy it’s...) - standing on your feet for a long time, listening to people, it’s somehow not always convenient to sit down. And a stomach ulcer, of course, because the regime is very messed up.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: During fasts.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Posts are wonderful.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: It’s like “detox,” a fashionable word.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is generally true. The main thing in the post is not there. I ask one, now deceased, elder who lived a truly holy life. That is, I am a pragmatic person. I need to touch the miracle with my hands. And I talked to him. Because many things that I could not say to anyone, he spoke for me. And he somehow convinced me. And he is that kind of person. It was not his honor. Somehow I arranged it in such a way that I, too, seemed to be doing great. Although I didn’t do well there at all. And I ask him, among other things, making sure that he is a person. In general, he is seventh heaven. I say: “What is the correct way to fast?” And we are neophytes, still so evil, ISIS is so Orthodox.

O. DANILEVICH: What are you saying here?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Forbidden, it should have an asterisk.

O. DANILEVICH: A terrorist organization banned in Russia.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He says: “Just switch to bread and water. Pride will do the rest for you.”

O. DANILEVICH: Wait. How about bread without yeast?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is not a chemical process. Fasting is a limitation. You should not watch this movie in the periodicals you watch. So that you have time to think a little about internal affairs.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: That is, you just reduce everything a little bit.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Asceticism. Beautiful, majestic, courageous asceticism. Everything else is fine.

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I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If you look for me, you will dial Ivan Okhlobystin...

O. DANILEVICH: We will find it. I found you this morning.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Do you run Instagram yourself, or do you have special trained people?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I treat it, you know, due to the situation - as a family album. The network is what will be with us until the end of our humanity, our evolution.

O. DANILEVICH: Last photo- this is your wife. I noticed this today. Let's get to the news. This week, the council under the Ministry of Culture called on the Cinema Fund to publicly report on how much money was transferred to them, how much they earned, and how everything is going with the box office in general. Meanwhile, the fund’s expert council recently approved 35 paintings to which money will be allocated. And among other films there is a comedy “Slave”, in which you will play...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Unfortunately, I won’t.

O. DANILEVICH: You won’t? Why?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. No matter how you look at “Interns”, be it hipster or fisherman... all the same, people loved us for 5.5 years, they watched us, we really tried. There was a lot of fluff there. You know, when humor ends due to fatigue, everything goes into the scrotum. And we fought against it. We fought with whatever we could. We have achieved that the highest level mass media, when they looked at us like... You know, there are screensavers - fish on TV? Now we have reached the fish. It doesn't matter anymore. A person could walk past the TV - be involved in the situation, or not be included. He was reassured by the very fact that somewhere this life was happening, which he liked, people whom he understood. There are many paradoxes with this.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You are actually like the series “Friends”, probably.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. I feel a certain kind of responsibility. Not out of arrogance or anything like that. And if I do, then star in something like this... Don’t offend those people who loved me for 5.5 years.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Didn’t you like the script?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: My role there...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What did they offer you there?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The role is funny, but there is a lot of swearing. It's too youthful. By the way, the script is good, it's a pity. But, unfortunately, I can't.

O. DANILEVICH: Interesting. The team is right there... Why are you talking about “Interns”. Because there is a team of “Interns”. Vadim Demchog is filming there.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Do they stay?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. I haven't talked to them about this. I found out about this 4 days ago. I read the script and liked it. Good comedy.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: But the role is not.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t like the role. It's well written. There's a great dude there that should have played. But due to the fact that there are a lot of youth themes, tits and pussies...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Is everything really so low? Humor below the belt.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There are elements below the belt. But that's not what the film is about. Noble in every way. And then, Porechenkov will star in one of the roles. The entire intern team was gathered. Almost whole. I don’t know whether Sanya Ilyin will act or not. He has too good role must be.

O. DANILEVICH: Tell me, but you were initially very skeptical about the “Interns”. You thought it was soap-soap, and then suddenly changed your mind. So, maybe the same will happen with “Kholop”? No?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Here, you know, like clinical trials. 6 years in fact. And then they play for another two years. I don't know if they're spinning it now or not. But 2 times a day I drove it into people’s heads like a nail. Wherever I am... I just haven’t seen this person for a long time, but still “hello.” Something like this. I have reached a level of symphony with society that it doesn’t bother me.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: I’m glad.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, and I’m not happy. It's natural. It's like walking through a village. Whoever it was... The Kyrgyz taxi driver, while we were driving along, we all remembered what we could remember. A fifth-grader girl with a nasty little phone that leaves me with a flash in her eyes after taking a photo... There’s nothing you can do. This is the main audience. And somehow I don’t want to...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And “Slave”, you think, will destroy all this, this people’s love.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Everyone will be forgiven. The fact of the matter is that everyone will be forgiven. But I can't let people suffer because of me.

O. DANILEVICH: Listen, this is the story itself - filming with exactly the same people with whom I have been side by side for several years. Don't you get bored?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: You get used to it. Like relatives.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And if these relatives infuriate you, how...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I thought that 12 episodes was too much for me. I thought: well, it’s interesting how everything is built. I discovered a whole world for myself. This is a completely separate layer that won. And now everything is cinema... It's all multiplexes. For now, it's just a matter of habit. All this will go away. All this is decay compared to these long things. A modern person either thinks in tags (that is, he quickly chose), or he needs meditation - so that 100 episodes, so that, like “Game of Thrones,” he finds out about it, or even didn’t know, he went for tea, but Tanya said. And this is woven into life. This is such cultural feng shui. It’s just that high technology is invisible...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You say that all TV series will be replaced great movie?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Of course. But big cinema will remain at the level... like the Delphic theater, or the Kabuki theater, or it will move away. They will undoubtedly be forced out.

O. DANILEVICH: Will director Ivan Okhlobystin direct TV series?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Director Ivan Okhlobystin will not handle TV series. Because, first of all, I am not a very good director.

O. DANILEVICH: And the screenwriter?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Screenwriter. I had experience. Take Tarantino, it was a great script. And shit, sorry, the series. Moreover, Gurchenko also starred there. It's a very comedic series. And Polish actor Jerzy Shturman, Budraitis. And many, many talented guys. But it’s still just cardboard, uninteresting.

O. DANILEVICH: Okay. About another film that hasn’t even been released yet, but they are discussing it like this...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: They are discussing and discussing. They discuss it every day.

O. DANILEVICH: Some films need at least part of this discussion for their own promotion. This is the film "Matilda", of course, by Alexei Uchitel, about which Natalia Poklonskaya, a State Duma deputy, has many complaints. And among other things, this film offends the feelings of believers. As a clergyman, as an actor, director, screenwriter, as a simple person - whose side are you on?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Let's judge how simple a person he is. I'm on Poklonskaya's side. Because, firstly, the Teacher is not a fool. If we take all of his previous works, they are, as a rule, devoted to the analysis of one or another outstanding personality, be it Bunin... True, there is a film not about Bunin, but about two lesbians, if we’re serious. He is initially a provocateur on a conceptual and artistic level. He is a good provocateur, he is an excellent director. He knew from the beginning that this whole mess would be. How can I be against this girl, this noble girl? He wanted - she came.

O. DANILEVICH: You know, we had quite a few directors here, including those who said: “We must not forget that Nicholas II, before he became a saint, and before he became an emperor, was quite an ordinary person.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Our mothers, before they kissed our dads, kissed other dudes.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What are you saying! That's impossible.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And mine can’t either. But in general there is such a hooligan rumor. And if artists come to us and say: “You know, we want to make a film about this,” we will say: “No, Lord, why talk about it? Let’s start with the folder.” There is a clearance level. Intelligence is not participial phrases in a speech, it’s not just letting the lady go ahead. Intelligence is the very approach to others, delicacy. He knew for sure that there would be a scandal. He knew that in any public institution there are many noisy people. Sometimes to the point of inadequacy. This is not about Poklonskaya. By the way, she is adequate.

O. DANILEVICH: Did you communicate with her personally?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t communicate with her. According to our mutual friends. She is a pious girl. A pious, beautiful, heroic girl, a symbol of what I love - the “Russian Spring”, which I never hide. To be honest, I won’t keep a fig in my pocket like a hipster. I have an ax and a double-barreled shotgun. If necessary, we will defeat everyone.

O. DANILEVICH: Look, but the question is that there wasn’t even a premiere, no one really knows yet how it will be. In this sense, the director should not try to express what he thinks.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, let him express it. I'm not interested in this story...

O. DANILEVICH: Forbid it. No?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Why ban it? This is stupid from the start. She is not connected with Poklonskaya. And excessive enthusiasm. It's like with " Pussy riot"The girls had to be spanked on their bare asses with a flip-flop, let go, and that's it - forget it, go away.

O. DANILEVICH: No courts, nothing.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And don’t bring a paper to the prosecutor’s office on Forgiveness Sunday. It's strange in general. That is, on the one hand it is unclear, and on the other. And in this same case. Yes, there is such incorrectness towards believers, a lack of understanding why this culture of believers is needed, that it is so burdensome, and we are in Europe. We are not against going to Europe. We like. We won't be able to get rid of this. We are Russians ranging from Varangian to Chukchi. We love everything: stroganina equally, and truffles too, no matter what. That is, we are omnivores in this regard. We have no conflict. But you need to be delicate. He was not delicate.

O. DANILEVICH: How can you be delicate in this particular case?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Don’t take this case. I don't want a movie made about my mom before she gets married if she doesn't want it. Then, the religious element is also burdensome here, because for many people this is the only alternative to the noose. Well, what to hide? Therefore, we will take care of them too. There is no need to touch this institution, just as there is no need to infiltrate someone else’s family or peep in the toilet.

O. DANILEVICH: I also have a question about Kirill Serebrenikov, whose film was released and for some reason it was not like that... He, in my opinion, was called “The Apprentice”.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t see it, unfortunately.

O. DANILEVICH: There should be many more questions from devout and religious people about this picture.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I will explain simply. This is who we are. We are no different. We also have a church. That is, another additional tangle of relationships - family, friendships, life lived.

O. DANILEVICH: Society, state.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, and an additional circle of friends. He's wonderful. Because we best years We lived our lives among this circle. And this circle partially absorbed several other circles.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Is this normal or not?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Normal. We have parishioners... guys from the Fomenko Theater. They cannot be in some kind of obscurantism... These are lovely ladies from the Department of Justice, simple people, I don’t know... disabled people. Over the years it became one family. That is, you can’t explain it that way. So it will seem like Cosa Nostra. There is some element, but not everything. At the same time, we also know that this is a small society. There are thousands of such small societies. And there is an add-on to this. And this is a public institution in which there will always be, as in any public institution, scum and fools. But this is our internal family matter. We'll work it out. We don't hold any grudges. They criticize us for building churches, if we take the church. Because every person in the church considers himself to be a member of the church. Why swear? I was in Lapland. The kids sent me away to hang out with friends at home.

O. DANILEVICH: They sent us far away.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Apparently, they were looking for the farthest point in Booking. Oksanka and I are still driving, and she says: “What a noble daughter Anfisa is! She gave her entire first salary to pay for a hotel in Lapland.” I say: “Mother, are you out of your mind? They sent us away where the finger got stuck. They didn’t accept going any further.” There really is a border with Norway. So what am I talking about? Everything is beautiful - nature, cities. People are good. But when you return to Russia, yes, we have something lopsided, we have our own houses. Well, that's who we are. Not to say that we are completely sedentary. Because we are settled within 1/6 of the Earth. That is, semi-sedentary. But golden domes stick out everywhere. And this pleases the eye. And in my heart something like this: “I came to Russia.”

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Calm down.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: These are our golden paper clips.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: When you are abroad and when you see Orthodox Church, you calm down so much.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Whether you want it or not.

O. DANILEVICH: Will you personally watch the film Teacher?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I’ll take a look.

O. DANILEVICH: At the same time, do you know that you will probably be offended in some way?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I will definitely be offended.

O. DANILEVICH: Why?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I’ll see from the considerations that I will have to talk about him, willy-nilly. It will be stupid after he comes out, when they ask me, I will say: “I am against it.” - “Did you see it?” - “I didn’t see it.” Sharikovism. Just because of this. I wouldn't watch it that way.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And if you like it, can you imagine?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Double tragedy. What to do? It happens in life that you fall in love with someone else’s wife. And this is nothing but a tragedy.

O. DANILEVICH: Another news topic I wanted to ask you about is the DPR. You have a passport of the Donetsk People's Republic. You are communicating with Alexander Zakharchenko, head of the DPR. And Alexander Zakharchenko recently proposed creating a new state - Little Russia. I will already quote him: “A state with non-bloc status, a course towards restoring ties with Russia and joining the Union State of Russia and Belarus.” In the Lugansk People's Republic, this initiative is not yet shared, as far as we understand. How do you feel about her?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In Lugansk they don’t divide it because they don’t know the exact attitude of the Kremlin. Because it didn’t work out either. But the Kremlin, willy-nilly, is forced to vary, because it represents a vast territory, including you and me, our interests.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: They said that this was Zakharchenko’s personal initiative.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, yes, yes. Zakharchenko and others like him, because he is surrounded by actually very intelligent people. Take the same Zakhar Prilepin. There are a lot of decent people around him. What they say and demonize is bullshit. In fact, Zakharchenko is in circumstances - with shell-shocked grandmothers, with the guys... We are driving, approaching Donetsk. 17-year-old guys, very strict, in uniforms. And they have a curfew. Oksana, like a mother, admired him and said: “What a bearing!” We looked at the documents. It is clear that they will go to college tomorrow. And it is clear that this is such a part as Israel... Or do you remember “The Legend of Tila Eulenspiegel”, a film by Alov and Naumov? Don't remember? What are you, wonderful movie! I'm sure it's better than the Teacher movie. Vivaldi. It was then that the understanding of Vivaldi came to society. Back in the wild 1970s, Alov and Naumov were such harbingers of high culture. There is Alov’s young (she is forever young, of course) wife, Belokhvostikova. In Tehran-43, Belokhvostikova plays his girlfriend, and Til Eulenspiegel himself is played by an Estonian actor. Unfortunately, he died not long ago.

O. DANILEVICH: We've gone far, let's return to Donetsk.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Here to Donetsk. And “One Hundred Years of Solitude” reminds me of this. The period when Colonel Buendia stood in the square. Also, Colonel Aureliano Buendia stood in the square after the telegram “It is raining in Macondo,” and Zakharchenko is also standing. And he needs to do something about it. Because Russia doesn't calve. You can understand why. Those crazy ones... It’s funny to even discuss them now.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you mean Kyiv?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. They bully their own people. There's surrealism there. All clear. Well, they have already decided that they are independent and are going to Europe.

O. DANILEVICH: Is Little Russia needed?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It is necessary. Because chaos is about to begin. And this is just an application for a big gang... Not a gang, but how to say... For a group that you can join in the beginning chaos.

O. DANILEVICH: But realistically, how to evaluate these chances?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They are great.

O. DANILEVICH: Are they too big?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Great, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Everyone is against it. All of Europe has already started shouting: “What are you doing? What kind of Little Russia?” Kyiv began to scream. Who will support?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: You see, now Trump was praised and praised, Obama was scolded and scolded. But Obama did not start selling lethal weapons, but Trump did. Now these lethal weapons will reach the front of the DPR and LPR. And these are anti-tank missiles, this is already such a serious weapon.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Like in Syria, maybe?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No, it won’t be like in Syria. Some kind of movement towards the DPR and LPR will simply be forced. These are two Spartas. The children there already know how to handle machine guns; they spend the night with machine guns. It became a habit. It's not a shock to them. And they will be happy to occupy part of the territory if any aggression appears. And against the background of these drunks, drug addiction, chaos and theft of the Ukrainian army, there will certainly be these precedents.

O. DANILEVICH: In order to create Little Russia (now it is very difficult to imagine how Kyiv would agree to this), there must obviously be some sacrifices. I don't mean human sacrifices. What sacrifices can we or the DPR offer to Kyiv, for example, so that they agree to the creation of Little Russia.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What proposals?

O. DANILEVICH: Yes.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In terms of jurisprudence, or something so brutal?

O. DANILEVICH: Yes, in principle, what can we offer? What can the DPR and LPR offer?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I think that if this process takes place, it will be so spontaneous that it makes no sense to predict now. Because I have traveled to 300 Russian cities. It was called "Spiritual Conversations". But in reality the conversation is simple. Answers on questions. I thought they would ask about television. Nevermind. They are not interested in cinema. Everyone has the Internet. Don't need all this. For life: to forgive - not to forgive, to return - not to return, to be baptized - not to be baptized.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: To leave my wife or not.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I want to tell you, yes, including. We have very good people. Very adequate. Apparently stress is doing its job. Because he is very sane. And they 99% strictly support everything related to Novorossiya. That is, for them this is a fundamental issue, which has added meaning to their lives, which is often absent in provincial cities, deprived of city-forming enterprises.

O. DANILEVICH: Look, in 2011 you tried to run for president. There will be presidential elections again in 2018. You say that the Kremlin is not listening yet. At the same time, you yourself think that it is necessary to create Little Russia. Maybe it's time to run for president again, Ivan?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There is no point now. Administratively... Well, I don’t know. If uncle comes...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Why uncle? You are already independent.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: With five suitcases of money. So that he would come and say: “Here’s some paperwork for you, here’s for paying for the headquarters, here’s for this, and you’ll fight Putin for the first two rounds, and then you’ll be embarrassed.” Not a question at all.

O. DANILEVICH: What if they bring a suitcase from the State Department?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: From the State Department? Then I will run after them for some time with a Fabarm pump-action shotgun. I’ll also take with me an ax (I was talking about an ax) with Celtic runes.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Let’s talk about weapons after the news at 1 p.m.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 30. NEWS

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We continue. Olga Danilevich.

O. DANILEVICH: Katerina Zvyagintseva. And our guest is the actor, director, screenwriter, writer, priest, temporarily removed from ministry, but at his own request, Ivan Okhlobystin. We ended the first half hour talking about the presidency. You said, that…

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We are ready for 2 rounds for a suitcase of money, and then lose.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And then - please, Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are a healthy person, I see. I liked everything about how you went here and there and swam. I am also athletic, I live a healthy lifestyle. We'll support you. Go.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Why crowd a healthy person? This is a big concern. It means to lose personal life. This could be done, and I probably would have gone for it. I would be a pretty tough dude, because I would start with the abolition of Article 13, which does not allow the creation of a single... Well, nonsense. An hour is not enough, in short. And the 15th is priority international law over ours. Ravings of a madman. This is not the case in other European constitutions. That is, this is some kind of bondage introduced (when there?) in 1991. There was the latest edition of the Constitution. It needs to be changed.

O. DANILEVICH: The Constitution was changed when it was about the term of the presidency.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There for 6 years. By the way... In just a few months... I even wrote an article in "Russia Today" (I write there periodically): "Thanks to the State Duma. Someone there is listening to me. Or they are subscribed to Twitter." Whatever you offer, everyone accepts. 6 years accepted. I read the doctrine at Luzhniki. And Vladimir Vladimirovich arrived. How the site is tested. And some recent legislative initiatives...

O. DANILEVICH: So ask about Little Russia. Sorry for interrupting.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I applied a hundred times. This must be done using a method... like water wears away a stone. It needs to be “boo-boo, boo-boo.” Why did I talk about people? People support this. Because they understand that ordinary people suffer there. You can't do anything. Diplomatic coquetry is no longer helping, they spit in our faces. Already the Americans... They got confused in their papers there. Who is more important, why is the president... Some nonsense begins. We're already tired of figuring it out. But we don’t take Ukraine, again, because it can’t be researched yet. Europe is terrified of emigrants, but continues to flirt. Although in reality I know what is happening in France, for example, in Lyon. A friend lives with me. I know what is happening in Stuttgart, Germany. There is very big trouble with migrants. The population tensed like electricity. This is the most part of them. While the Democrats (the liberal component) are still holding this wave, they are holding it. But this is all for the time being.

O. DANILEVICH: But you are a famous monarchist, aren’t you?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Can your views change? If they can, what should happen? That is, somehow Russia can grow up in order to cease to be a monarchy, or cannot it?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: German Sadulayev has an excellent article that Russia has developed into a monarchy. This is true. In fact, the style of management that the monarchy is not exactly something that can now cope with modernity, with modern life. When I say the word “monarchist,” I mean it as a personal factor. On the scale of our country, in the diversity of preserved cultures... We succeeded better than Americans. Each culture still has its own individuality. And yet all together. All distances, spaces, all givens. You cannot rely on a strict formal directive. A personal factor is needed to quickly solve this. It's like a whale swimming. And willy-nilly, he touches something with his tail. And this is the story with our country... But if the whale is controlled by the community, the whale will swim much more restlessly. That is, a personal factor is always needed. Russia is a large organism. A thousand years ago everything was said about this. These are the ideas of the Third Rome, a symphony of state and power. There is nothing slavish or servile about this. There is simply a correct understanding and attitude of how to relate to power. The authorities must protect our interests and serve us. That is, in principle, these are those who serve us, and not vice versa.

O. DANILEVICH: We need to serve the listeners a little, who have been writing to us since the first half-hour. +79258888948 is the number for SMS messages. Telegram @govoritmskbot, Twitter govoritmsk. Count Koshkin asks to ask about your attitude towards today's church and its fallen authority.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: She remembers the patriarch’s watch.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Do you know how? I really love the past patriarch. I treat him like a saint. We go to Elokhovsky to put flowers there. That is, we continue to be in communication with him. I have an understanding for Kirill, because I communicated with him when I worked in... I had personal communication. He is an excellent administrator, he is a pious man, he is a believer. It probably has some harsh notes. Yes, he most likely has a gold watch. But it’s nonsense to demand that he come with electronic “Casio Montana” with 13 melodies for 5 rubles. This is some kind of nonsense...

O. DANILEVICH: And without at all?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He needs to know. The general should not think about the copy. He must think about how to keep the platoon of soldiers alive. It’s very subtle... This is a huge public institution. On this moment one of the most stable public institutions in the state. A lot of them. Different communities. And this is the largest community. What else? There is no other one.

O. DANILEVICH: When you had not yet temporarily given up service, they would have given you a Maybach. What would you do with him?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I would go. Great car.

O. DANILEVICH: You wouldn’t sell it and send it somewhere for donations. Wouldn't they do anything like that?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. Firstly, it only seems that you can sell it and give it to charity.

O. DANILEVICH: Well, give it to an orphanage, for example.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In order to quickly sell a Maybach, you need to lower the price twice. Because it's crazy to have a Maybach if you don't own it oil company or not Deputy Prime Minister. Contain... it could just be an accident. In addition to the fact that there is also a need for a driver. You can't travel like that. That is, this additional staff dial Then, when you sell it, it's for a long time. While it’s a long time, you’ll sell it at half price and then...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: In general, it’s easier to just take it and go for a ride.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Ride, yes. Ride the same children. Roll them onto the Christmas tree.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Listen, you talked a little about weapons. We know that you have a mini-collection of weapons.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It’s hard to name. It's simple…

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: How much? Three things.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Five. As much as they gave, I took as much. I need to re-register everything now. Now the time has come when we need to deal with the papers. It changes a little. The accounting departments have been transferred to the National Guard, and the papers are being reorganized; this is a whole worry, but we need to get on with it.

O. DANILEVICH: You are also a member of the Union of Hunters and Fishermen.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Willy-nilly, because I have a weapon. But in general I don’t want to shoot animals.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Did you do underwater hunting? Have you caught pike?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Pike - no. But I once had a funny experience and I didn't like it.

O. DANILEVICH: In general, by the way, are you in favor of allowing weapons in Russia?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: For permission, of course. Everyone must protect themselves. If a bully understands that there may be a harsh response in response to his hooliganism... the only thing is that people need to be trained.

O. DANILEVICH: But how to turn the right and left cheeks?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: When I went out onto the tatami, I slapped myself on the left cheek - the question was removed. Do you understand? When your family is in danger or Evsyukov is aiming at a child's head, you have one option. You won't have time to run. Snatch it, shoot, and God forbid it hits him in the head to save the child.

O. DANILEVICH: And God, who should watch over this...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: God doesn’t owe anything. God gave us life and gave us what we asked for... He understood us. We would really like to be free. Any limitation torments us. We don’t understand that this pleasure can... as with posts, the same topic. But, nevertheless, God loves us so much that he even allows us to do things against his establishment. Complete freedom. And this is within the limits of our understanding of communication with weapons. I am for.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We know that as a child you also always carried a knife in your pocket. Did your dad teach you that?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Dad, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you still wear it?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t take it now, because it’s on the radio. It will just ring there.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: On roller skates.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And I’m on roller skates... Why am I taking a knife? Not for a crime, but in order, firstly, to peel an apple, cut it off, if a car has turned over somewhere, cut off a seat belt, pull a person out. By the way, I had such a situation. Plane off the twig. I still have boys in my family.

O. DANILEVICH: Two. Four girls.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Two boys. Boys should. The archetype of the father is a male dad with muscles, a knife, everything as it should be.

O. DANILEVICH: By the way, about the muscle. It wasn't always like this. Ivan Okhlobystin was not always such a jock as he is now.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Why did you become a jock? You're really skinny...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I'm overfed, listen. I have no choice.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: This is not for any role? Is this just an accident?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I can’t be a whip. The people in my family are stout and strong. There are two options - I can be soft, like a sugar loaf. And the second option is like this. It's nothing you can do. And then, life forces you. The girls say: “Dad, we need to do something about our belly.”

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Do they force you to pump your abs?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Friends will come, it’s inconvenient for us to show you, you don’t look like a Wolverine man. Ugh.

O. DANILEVICH: I see that children generally modernize everything so much. Regarding modern times, Larisa asks us here: “Do you think it’s worth responding to attacks from haters and trolls online? Or is it better to remain silent?”

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I think - remain silent. They require attention. This is also the trick. It's like the movie Teacher. Initially, he started a PR company there. Very good. Now everyone will definitely watch it. By various reasons. I brought one of them. Just make a cash register out of it. Not good.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Are you also silent, or are you answering something on the same Twitter?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I stopped communicating on Twitter altogether. Because for some reason short messages take over everything... this one has taken over all the dirt. That is, you definitely need to squander a lot, a lot. And the Ukrainian side is represented. Khokhlosrach. Even Pelevin already has this in his book. Totally terrible. And I don't want to swear. In VK, I still have the opportunity to moderate some of it, because I am subscribed to communities that I like. It's the same on Instagram. Everyone just knows that I love photography. And that I use VK as a family photo album, and where to show off - a beautiful sunset, a video of “the first lilies of the valley.” From the most brutal to the most muslin.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Mi-mi-mi.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Why didn’t I notice photos of your, as far as I understand, close friends on your Instagram? And I call Mikhail Efremov, who calls himself your close friend, close friends. Garik Sukachev, who also names. And Dmitry Kharatyan, it seems. You have some kind of four.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: A home album does not imply that you will tell a story. You never know.

O. DANILEVICH: Doesn’t this mean that in fact you are not so close friends with them? No?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: How are we close friends with them? We are close friends within the boundaries of how close friends are. But they don't live at my house. That is, it would be strange. They can stay at my house after the evening. But in such a way as to live - no.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you drink?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Sometimes - yes.

O. DANILEVICH: What do you drink?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I unexpectedly came to the conclusion that I like Porto. I came to where I started once. I like that you can sip it.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Good old port.

O. DANILEVICH: And the wine?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t like it. Strong drinks too somehow. It happens depending on the situation too. But I can’t remember such a situation at the moment.

O. DANILEVICH: Can you afford to get well drunk now?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: To what extent? To be caught?

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: That you don’t remember anything the next morning.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is not good. It's worse if you remember. Is it to be caught and put to sleep with electric shock?

O. DANILEVICH: Yeah.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, I can’t afford it yet, because after all...

O. DANILEVICH: But would you like to?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Chaos sometimes calls. Sometimes you think: damn, I need to pay with this, go there, do this, refuse this, I have to say “yes”, I want to say “no”, I have to say “yes”. And you - “oh, dear mother.”

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What questions are tearing you apart now? Is there such a thing?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Mainly economic ones. I need... to buy, I need to re-register... I was absent from filming for a long time... all sorts of documents. I have boring worries now.

O. DANILEVICH: Are you not filming at the moment?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t want to act yet.

O. DANILEVICH: Why?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It seems to me, again, out of respect for those people who treated me well. And I say it in such a way that the boys won’t understand me about any nonsense. 51 years already.

O. DANILEVICH: What do you want?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Now I have starred in a film about the father of a boy with cerebral palsy. Before that I starred in the film "The Fugitive". I believe that if everything goes well, maybe this will be my final work. I really hope so.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Wait. That's it, we won't see Ivan Okhlobystin in movies anymore after this?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. But I really want this to happen.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you want to go into ministry?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: First I want to know that I was forgotten. I'll write for a while for a few years, and then - yes, of course, ministry. This is the sweetest part of life.

O. DANILEVICH: Are you sure that you and your, excuse me, maybe I perceive you incorrectly, but with your temperament, with this tearing apart, that you can really only go into ministry and not study at the same time...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: But I like writing more. I've always been more of a screenwriter. And now I have published one book - “Song of the Constellation Canes Venatici”, before that the fairy tale “XIV Principle” was published, before that there were journalistic almanacs - “Dark Album”, after that in September there will be “Magnificus II”, in October - “Magnificus III” ". These are also fairy tales.

O. DANILEVICH: When everything calms down, will you calm down, where would you like to live?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I feel comfortable everywhere. In general, I like this more rural story.

O. DANILEVICH: Village in the Moscow region or village...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: In Lapland.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No, I wouldn’t want to go abroad for various reasons.

O. DANILEVICH: Somewhere in the south of Russia or in Siberia, maybe.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Somewhere surrounded... I’m basically from Ryazan-Oka. Therefore, it will most likely be comfortable for me in my native places.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Listen, during your childhood your grandmothers raised you most of all?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Grandmother and great-grandmother. I actually...

O. DANILEVICH: What was your childhood like?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Wonderful. It was a fairy tale. Little plump, always smiling grandmother Maria and strict, straight-backed Sofya Filippovna. She was like that noblewoman and carried it throughout my life.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you remember your father?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I remember well.

O. DANILEVICH: Did you communicate with your father after your parents separated?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. But in raids. He took me away on Sundays for a while, then sent me away for the summer. And then he was walking with Cherkasov. They went to boarding houses to pick up girls and they put me in charge.

O. DANILEVICH: Just in case. Just in case anyone doesn't know. Ivan Okhlobystin's father married Ivan Okhlobystin's mother when his father was 62 and his mother was 19. How did he take her?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Number 19. He came out strong on the horizontal bar 19 times. It just crunched. He is physically...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Was it powerful?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Wolverine Man smokes nervously in general. First of all, he was a hero of heroes. Secondly, he was brilliant... As far as one can imagine about aristocracy, I just remember now... to draw some kind of analogy with “War and Peace”. God is with us. Besides the fact that he looked physically great, he was savvy, he was friends with Salvador Dali.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Seriously? Was Salvador Dali friends?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, he has a whole story.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And he told you this?

O. DANILEVICH: How did they even cross paths?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He performed the operation on Gala. He's a military surgeon. And after the war ended, he began to head all sorts of rehabilitation centers. He worked almost to the end. He was always luxurious in terms of presentation - charismatic with zeros. He got married for the first time, came to Odessa, was a temporary commandant before Zhukov’s arrival, brought with him a German varnished car, and drove around with music and a gramophone. Then he married the dark-haired beauty Anastasia Zorich. The editor-in-chief of some progressive magazine.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Did he tell you everything, who was he married to?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: My brothers and sisters. We have such a “Game of Thrones” there. And at the end of life... Do you know how? When the publisher of the newspapers of the first French edition, to which Richelieu wrote under a pseudonym, died, he died in wild poverty. And one of the greats (I don’t remember who - not Balzac, but someone of that level) wrote about him: “He died a beggar, as all geniuses should die.”

O. DANILEVICH: Would you also like to be poor someday?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I would like to, like a father too. Things didn't work out for him with his family. This is a tragedy. But he was tossed around by the Spanish War, then World War II, then Korea. And after that... It didn’t work out. It would be forgivable for him, as it is not forgivable for anyone, since he was a hero-overhero. He saved a gigantic number of lives. My brother has a photograph at home. This is the battlefield. The Germans are running with bayonets at the ready. Our people are running with bayonets at the ready. There's a field in the middle. There is a half-thrown tent. Dirt. In the foreground is one... without a boot, one with a boot, the dead legs of a nurse. Mobile operating table. God. The patient is lying on the table. Dad in mask removed. There is a massacre going on nearby. And he's operating on some dude. That is how he lived. But, unfortunately, it didn’t work out with his family.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: But look, you succeeded with your family. You always talk so warmly and reverently about Oksana. “I looked at her in the restaurant and realized that I would marry this woman.” We saw it for the first time. “I will have seven children,” you said, “a washing machine and a tendency to hypertension.” Look, you probably have a washing machine. Tendency to hypertension?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There should be. Sooner or later it will catch me.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Look, seven children - now six.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: But we are young people and drinkers, so...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What do you think about the seventh child? When?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I really want to. I miss. When they push a stroller past me, the one that smells like a mixture of milk and pussies, that sweetmeat...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Nice smell.

O. DANILEVICH: You personally got up at night to download...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Of course, they forced me. Certainly. There are periods in the life of a real big family where everyone must work, otherwise you will simply die.

O. DANILEVICH: At the same time, you once said in an interview that when you were left alone with the children for the first or second time, did you want to take a shotgun?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I had thoughts. But then I got my bearings. No, when they leave me at a certain moment, I begin to feel sad and admire...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: After how many minutes do you begin to feel burdened?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I am strong. In a few hours. I'm holding on at all. I'm a jock. And psychologically I am very... I can conduct all sorts of trainings among them.

O. DANILEVICH: Speaking about dad, you said that he died in poverty. What's so important...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He is not in poverty. He is in asceticism.

O. DANILEVICH: What kind of materially significant things have you acquired in your life? Is there something like that?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, so, statistically average. We were the Tushino punks and still are. My dad also said: “A good apartment is one from which you can leave without looking back.”

O. DANILEVICH: What was the biggest fee you were paid for a film, for a script, for filming, for anything?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 20 million.

O. DANILEVICH: How long ago was it?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: For a long time already.

O. DANILEVICH: Isn’t this “Interns”?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: On “Interns”, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Where did you spend the money, if it’s not a secret?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I paid off the debts. And he told the others that they would wait. This is actually a joke. I really paid off a lot of debts, small things... We have a huge company. Someone always needs it.

O. DANILEVICH: This means that you still haven’t bought yourself a house. That's why I'm asking.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: So you gave away, lent, but didn’t buy a house for yourself?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. But if now I have some kind of financial problem, it will still be difficult for me to look for this amount. I will be financed partly by the bank. But if things don’t work out, then you’ll have to turn to friends. I'm sure we'll get everything together. Because here, you know, it’s like at the fiftieth anniversary - everyone has to come and perform. And it should be free. And it is also customary in our company that we help each other.

O. DANILEVICH: How old is your eldest daughter?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 22.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And she spent her first salary on you.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And the second, and the third.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: On you.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. And they walked for three days while we fed mosquitoes in the North. We walked around, weren’t shy at all, and posted photos on Instagram. Well, let them take a walk. The youth.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you want grandchildren or not?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I really want to.

O. DANILEVICH: While you will be a grandfather and think that you are no longer the same.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Never mind. All the same - this one, not that one. Grandchildren are cool. This is a reproduction. This is the main thing. Girls, don’t think twice, take water polo players - beautiful, tall ones. Our children will be tall and healthy. Check your medical records to make sure there are no fools or diabetics. And water polo players. And the fact that they are smart - why are you smart? You yourself are smart. The main thing is that you are loved.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Why water polo players? Maybe football players?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And they are three-meter horses.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And basketball players?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Good too.

O. DANILEVICH: But water polo players are better.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In general, athletes are good.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Ivan, we only have a section left: 5 questions - 5 quick answers. Always the same questions for all guests. What did you once hide from your mother? First question.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What did I once hide from my mother? I spilled nail polish remover on a sideboard I bought. I hurt her because we lived in a room in a communal apartment. And quite sparse. For her it was just a purchase.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Second question: with which blonde could you cheat on your wife?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Not at all. Are you crazy? This is the same thing, only viewed from the side. Who cares?

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: The most big mistake in life?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What is the biggest mistake in life? I don't know, by the way. I was asked once: if there was an opportunity to change something, God forbid. Then we wouldn't be talking to you.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Who would you ask for forgiveness from?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Probably, there are such people. Just now you need to give a list. But for it to be interesting and bright right away is not very decent.

O. DANILEVICH: How many people are on the list?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There should be a lot. We must remember from childhood. Different situations. It happened in passing. And man is the image of God. Therefore, we must treat this very delicately. We must take care of people.

O. DANILEVICH: The last one. I'm afraid that in your case it may be very complex issue. Who's yours best friend?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Oksanka, of course.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You see, it’s easy to answer the question when your best friend is your wife.

O. DANILEVICH: When Vadim Demchog was our guest, he spoke very warmly about you and confessed his love to you several times on air and called you exclusively Vanechka. Do many people call you Vanechka?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Mom calls me Vanechka. Troitsky calls me Vanechka. Eat. Why not?

O. DANILEVICH: Thank you.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Thank you very much for taking the time.

O. DANILEVICH: Ivan Okhlobystin.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If there are no good suitors... if there are.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Olga Danilevich.

O. DANILEVICH: Katerina Zvyagintseva.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We’ll hear from you in a week. Bye.

The film "Bird" with Ivan Okhlobystin in leading role, which will be released on May 18, may be the last of his career. The actor announced that he was leaving cinema and would focus on writing. Recently, Ivan published the fourth book, “Songs of the constellation Canes Venatici.” In an interview with StarHit, Okhlobystin shared why he was quitting filming, how he was raising his daughters, and why he called his wife a drowned woman.

"Santa Barbara" with diaper rash

Ivan, aren’t you afraid to leave profitable cinema?

We are Tushino punks. We were and remain so. During the period of lack of money, we lived as comfortably as when funds appeared. They just began to allow themselves a little more. At the moment, I am more interested in writing. It has many advantages. I will be at home. My wife, children and I will be able to organize hikes, ride bikes and go to our favorite dacha more often. I decided to quit acting out of gratitude to the viewer. Television is a cruel thing. It will wring you out like a wet rag until you go minus 20 in the rating, and people will start spitting in your face. You have to be able to draw the line. By the way, this was the case with the series “Interns”. On the 300th episode we all creative team, stunned by the filming, went to the producer and said that it was time to close the project, otherwise the sitcom would turn into “Santa Barbara”, and even with diaper rash. If in the future I am offered a worthwhile movie with good money, then perhaps I will agree.

You act, you write. Do your children gravitate toward creativity?

My daughter Varya sings. When she was 7 years old, she told her mom and me that she wanted to learn to play the guitar. I followed the platinum proven scheme, a kind of Cartier version: I found the Palace of Pioneers, a teacher in a bow tie and with crimson on his cheeks. Varya studied there for four years, and then took up vocals. Now she is 18 years old and she sings. I advise: “Don’t lose your voice. It must be tuned, like a harpsichord, gradually.”

Will Varya go to Gnesinka?

No. She's graduating this year and has chosen medical school. We do not tolerate protégés in terms of education. This is all harmful. My daughters are children of a new generation. Varya believes that her earthly profession will not prevent her from practicing vocals. Her sister Dusa is 19 years old and shares the same opinion. Evdokia plays the electric guitar and is studying to become an ornithologist, studying birds. At the same time, she’s a fashionista for me, she’s good at dancing flamenco – she’s dark-haired and beautiful. Eldest daughter Anfisa, she is 20 years old, chose the specialty of marketing. The youngest children, sons - 11-year-old Savva and 16-year-old Vasya - have not yet decided on a profession.

Are they not interested in dad's work?

Indifferent. But if one of the children wants, I will not interfere. Anfiska is quite an adult, they can call the police on me. Being religious people, we remember one of the main postulates - you cannot come to the Lord by force. God is always a paradox. You understand that everything around is made by the individual, and you also respect the individuality in your children. They know that Mom and I respect them too much to become a hindrance.

Do Anfisa and Evdokia have young people?

I think so, but I haven’t been introduced to it yet. They treat this issue delicately. I am also embarrassed, because there is an agreement that I will not influence their choice. I said: “When you realize that you are in love and are ready to create a relationship, then I will be forced to participate.” But they are girls of steel. And their mother is a woman from an ancient pagan legend. At the same time, nothing modern is alien to my daughters. They are interested in rags and steal mom’s dresses. They have similar tastes, but there is a difference. Evdokia likes something gothic. Varvara is passionate about the Normans and everything Scandinavian. Anfiska prefers New York style, a kind of hipster girl. And their younger sister Nyushka loves science. She is our cosmic Elfine.

Oksanka is a modest woman. She should have played Trinity in The Matrix. When we are in shopping centers, I provoke her all the time: let's buy you elegant dress so that you don’t feel like you’re drowned. Agrees. At the same time, the wife is a mischievous girl. Of course, I put the burden of raising six children on her shoulders, but she copes. If it weren't for Oksana, I would have died long ago.

Chingizid syndrome

Are you afraid or jealous that your daughters will soon fly out of the nest?

In everyday terms, I’m not worried. I know that they will get out of any situation, ten more people will be saved from the flood. As far as human relationships are concerned, sooner or later they will suffer. Like everyone else, they will face disappointments, unrequited love. They will organize small riots and do stupid things. But I’m not worried here either. The samurai Orthodox component makes itself felt. Well done Oksana! Our whole family takes communion and observes fasts. Both of our sons, Savva and Vasya, serve as altar servers in the Church of Sophia the Wisdom of God, which we have been visiting for 20 years. For boys this is a fairy tale.

The children have grown up. Did you feel that there were fewer problems?

Others appeared. But I have Chingizid syndrome, I am thick-skinned. If I used to be upset because of the loss of a suitcase, now because of the loss of two, not a single muscle moves on my face. Forced to live in broad categories. First children get sick, then they need to be taught, then all these falling in love... I also walked this path. I understand what is boiling in their souls.

In May, the melodrama “Bird” by Ksenia Baskakova will be released, where the main roles were played by Ivan Okhlobystin and Evdokia Malevskaya. This is one of latest projects, in which the actor took part before announcing his retirement from cinema.

Photo: Andrey Fedechko/Lenfilm film studio

Ivan Okhlobystin

He acts in films, writes scripts, directs, and performs in concert programs. And more recently, he is a successful writer who works in the fantasy genre.

- How do you write what you need: the sound of the surf, silence, a separate office, a pencil and a notepad?

I have headphones, there is a lock on the door, if something happens I can close it. Ideally, of course, you get up, prepare a tablet, a computer - who types or writes on what - or a typewriter, it doesn’t matter. We need to tune in. After all, there are a thousand options for how to distract yourself: first you poured some tea, then watered a flower, walked the dog, fed the owl - and so the whole day can go by. Somewhere you need to make a strong-willed decision to force yourself to start writing. The first ten sheets in the basket, it will be nonsense, you just sign, you just “enter”, this is something very mystical or very close to mysticism. A level of concentration is required. And then channeling happens - the characters begin to speak; you understand: it’s completely logical that he would say this, go there, maybe act like this, and then out of all this this will come out. And you’re already writing until the evening. But if during the day someone pulls you out, if you need to go to the store, there is an eighty percent chance that you will not write anything else that day. In general, will, will and only will. And I really like it, although Oksanka (wife of Ivan Okhlobystin - “ICB”) sometimes grumbles. But when she tries to reproach me for idleness, I often remind her of the words of Dickens: “Mother, well, first of all, I am a father of many children, I can no longer be an idleness!” And secondly, the words of Balzac: “We must not forget that even when a writer looks out of the window, he is working.” Of course I like it. Although in fact, inspiration is a matter of will. It has nothing to do with muslin feelings.

- Isn’t writing a sin?

Of course not! God created us in his image and likeness. We have thousands of talents. Some may be missing, but this is compensated by others. People ask me how can I do both? I answer: “Guys, we live in a time when technology already allows this. There is no need to dig potatoes and then set aside a separate month to write a novel during the winter, confined within four walls.” Now you can milk a cow using your tablet. Technologies allow us to open up as individuals. In principle, they make each of us capable of being a Renaissance man. But, it’s true, many are forced to work. Making money is also understandable. This is a question of internal goal setting, as my friend says. You feed your family, you have to sit at work, you can’t type at work. But in principle, as I said, we have thousands of talents. Everyone needs to develop. Sooner or later, technology will take everything away from us. Only the computer and the writer will remain. AND…

- IT people with the underground.

Yes, those who will serve, and the forced underground to break it all. (Laughs.)

- Do your children read to dad?

Only Vasya reads and loves fantasy. The rest have no time. They have their own literature. They read Oleg Bubel, Glukhovsky. Quite unexpectedly, not so long ago we started reading Richard Bach. What I love - Günther Grass, Rushdie - is still difficult for them. Marquez is also still of age, it’s better to try him when he’s in his thirties. Marquez is as good as cognac, at certain times. Otherwise, it may not be recognized. There is a lot of domestic literature of approximately the same format. Children read a lot. Vasya either reads continuously or listens to audiobooks - this is also a whole culture. Nyushka reads a lot, although only occasionally. They have slumps for one and a half to two months, when, apparently, they get tired. I don't really interfere in their lives in this regard.

- Did any of your children follow in your footsteps?

Anfisa works for Kaspersky. She loves the team and high technology. She is wildly creative, a source of energy flows directly from her. Evdokia chose biology. In particular... what is the name of this strange direction... (Thinks.) Oh, ornithology - that's it. (Laughs.) I don't understand her. But she likes it so far; she is now in her last year of college. He goes somewhere to practice on an expedition. Varka entered the Sechenov First Medical Institute, the Faculty of Medicine. Currently teaching Latin language. They hang out with the guys at our house. It's a nightmare, they have to learn 800 Latin words in a week! On the one hand, I am horrified, on the other, I admire. I remember my student years- I was one of the happiest people in the world. And Oksanka too. We admitted to each other that everything was cool and that we were jealous of Varka. It’s a pity that we can’t become students again. Further smaller - Vaska, he is in tenth, Nyushka in eighth, Savva in fifth. We'll have to wait and see.

Gennady Avramenko

- But are you satisfied with the choice of the elders?

Thank God, yes. Very satisfied. I like everything related to progress and evolution. Treating people is noble. My father treated people. High tech- they have a real future. Ornithology - I don’t know how to feel about this, but, on the other hand, the very fact of such a strange choice suggests that my daughter sincerely loves it. I like their approach. They are not looking for money and fame. They understand that this will happen spontaneously if they achieve results in their profession.

- Perfect option…

Glory to you, Lord. I’m ready to work as much as I want - to film, do something, even carry bags - if only this idealistic period in which they are formed as people lasts longer. Now Vasya is already walking with the young lady. In the tenth grade, I was a short and short guy, extremely unpleasant, as it seemed to me. And I quickly realized that until I started making money myself, I didn’t need to think about girls. And I have a huge segment of time for reading classical literature, to visit theaters.

“When my wife reproaches me for idleness, I remind her of the words of Dickens: “Mother, I am a father of many children, I can no longer be an idleness!”

Gennady Avramenko

Your old bosom friends - Mikhail Efremov, Garik Sukachev, Fyodor Bondarchuk, Tigran Keosayan - by the age of fifty they had achieved great heights in the profession, in terms of status. Has anything changed in your relationship with them?

Nope! The relationship remained the same, and they remained the same - half-punks. Tigran has an Armenian punk with all that it implies: a suit, sparkles, everything is as it should be. Fedor is a Rublevsky punk. Gorynych and I (Garik Sukachev.. Nobody has changed. The company is still the same. Birthdays are still the same. For a long time now we have not specified when we go to bed, if there is a party, because no one cares. Camp and camp. Horde - right They call us that, but foreigners are trying to call us that derogatorily. But in fact, it’s true. First of all, we are easy-going, in everyday life, it’s great if you have a “gold” the size of a toilet, but. if this is not the case, that’s also good. If the canned food is swollen, that’s good; foie gras is also good for us. special look to the surrounding world.

It is not consumer, we live and live. To what we come to from birth - here and now - the same Buddhists strive throughout their lives. And we are forced to live like this. There's too much going on. And each of us is too bright due to the fact that, again, there is a lot of everything around. Anglo-Saxons - there they are market relations, everything is clear to them: whoever is richer is more beautiful. But here you cannot compare a billionaire and an artist. Which one is cooler? A billionaire, all in sparkles, driving a gold Maybach, and a gunny, snotty dude who drives an old Java in the area of ​​​​Svoboda Street in Tushino - which of them is cooler? It’s not a fact that it’s the first! This is a delicate question and always requires a personal relationship. We are the last generation of romantics. In their youth, everyone sincerely wanted to become Tarkovsky. We read photographed pages of “The Master and Margarita” from the magazine “October”. We knew that if you exchange two empty lemonade bottles in a store, they give you one full one. At the same time, we could walk around Moscow for days under the impression of the book “Moscow and Muscovites.” And at the same time, for example, cast a “pig” so that later in the ravine you can fight with the guys from the neighboring area. It was also considered extremely shameful to do something bad towards a girl. We felt reverence for them. They understood that a man cannot fully realize himself. Be that as it may, he is still the father, the owner, and without a woman this is impossible. No soil. A real Russian man does not know how to live for himself.

The other day Ivan Okhlobystin turned 51 years old. We visited him at the dacha, where Ivan Ivanovich is now writing a new book.

The writer, who had given up acting, was caught doing everyday chores: Okhlobystin and his heirs Vasya and Savva were unloading firewood. The sons worked together and resignedly let their dad record an interview for the TV program magazine.

“We don’t know how to live in peace”

— Ivan, you are now writing books and raising children. You don’t act often, but on the contrary, they send you scripts often, right?

- ...And for the most part these scenarios are uninteresting. Cinema is now at the mercy of amateurs, unfortunately. Countless producers, after reading three novels by Dostoevsky and watching two films by Francis Ford Coppola, think they know everything. They dictate the taste, and there’s nothing you can do about it. And I don’t really want to be under this yoke. I am not a burden to others, but I live and work for my own pleasure.

— If countless Russian TV series are being filmed, it means they are watching — demand creates supply.

“Of course, human culture cannot be blamed here. It's just such a paradox of new products appearing on the market information technologies. Those who want can now watch quality movies on the Internet.

Photo: Daria BUKHAROVA

— Now some people receive education online or often in absentia, not wanting to lose five years. Now the experience comes first, not the crust. You can graduate from drama school, but never act in a movie or sit at a supermarket checkout with a diploma in economics. Do you and your wife explain to your children that they need to get a diploma, or do you not insist?

- We must strive for education - life is short, and we must try to pass on the maximum to our children. The child must be properly motivated to strive to learn. By purchasing higher education, children do not always acquire knowledge - you can remain a fool even after receiving a diploma. The child comes under the influence of standards in the field that he is mastering, gets acquainted with literature, music that is interesting to his circle of like-minded people. The most important thing is that he has the same students around him, and the child gains a sphere of communication. In science this is called “egregor” - an environment, like a hive, in which you will be for the rest of your life, surrounded by people of your own mentality.

— This year, your daughter, graduate Varya, chose to enter a medical university. Was it her choice or did you and your wife advise?

— Varya chose the Faculty of Medicine, this is her personal choice, she studied biology for a long time. We don’t put pressure on the children; they know that my mother and I value their respect too much to become a hindrance.

— Your dad was a doctor, so it turns out that Varvara has a hereditary passion for medicine?

— I don’t know, because no clinical conclusions can be given. May be. But I think another circumstance had an impact. We are surrounded by many doctors - a good audience, our old people's party. They are also blues singers. And willy-nilly Varya was fascinated by them. Then she always liked to study biology. It happens that you have to be immersed in some objects forcibly, and some are read like poetry. My literature was doing well, I loved to read, and watched a lot of movies. Despite the fact that he lived in the village, we had a very sophisticated projectionist, Uncle Borya. He went to the base to get trophy ribbons. The most watched movie in my childhood (you will laugh!) was “Remarriage” with Jean-Paul Belmondo. At the same time, we watched “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World”, “Some Like It Hot”, films with Marlene Dietrich...

— None of the children have followed in your footsteps to VGIK yet. In which of the heirs is the artistic nature noticeable?

— Varya likes to sing, but she observed the hectic world of show business and realized that she did not want to depend on it, but she liked to create. Therefore, at the age of 18, Varya reasons correctly: the earthly profession of a doctor will not interfere with practicing vocals. Evdokia shares the same opinion. She is 19 years old, she plays the electric guitar with us and is studying to become an ornithologist - she likes birds. Nyusha writes well, but she is drawn to the Gothic. At the age of 15, she is a girl of the 33rd century - she does only what she wants, but easily makes sacrifices - she went to study music with her younger brother. Vasya, at the age of 16, writes periodically, and the older he gets, the closer we are to him - he “devours” bags of new books, goes to shooting and boxing. Savva is still small - he is 11 years old, but he is also trying to write something. The eldest Anfisa is 20 years old, she received the profession of a marketer, she works with pleasure in her specialty - she organizes events... All children are very different.

— Do your older daughters live with you?

— We haven’t gotten married yet, we live together. A large family is happiness, an opportunity to watch the birth of an entire civilization. Each of them, God willing, will have families, and I will have grandchildren. We are ready for anxiety, we don’t know how to live calmly with Oksanka. As soon as peace occurs, it means everything is bad: you need to go somewhere, do something, improve things.

— Savva said that even during the holidays he doesn’t forget to do math and read. Are you strict parents?

“I’m mainly in the reserves and I’m involved with Oksanka out of necessity, when there’s a war: I got bad marks, I forgot the banks, or something like that happens. Oksana teaches lessons with them, and is aware of everything that is happening - in school, personal life, they trust her very much. For the sake of the children, she learned notes and English, she improves them in all subjects, and my principle in studying is primitive - the main thing is to get straight A's. She is such a mother - the earth is damp, and I am a distant homeland. I am a breadwinner, I try to travel with my family wherever possible, because memories are the main thing that can be given. My children and I have traveled halfway around the world, we go to the mountains, it’s a shame for them to complain.

— Does it happen that children come up to their father and ask for advice?

- It looks different. Let’s say I’m lying in the room, one of my daughters comes, impudently lies down, pushing me out of my favorite place. I mutter something, and she tells me how cunningly she decided to act, which means she is asking my opinion in a veiled way. And I, supposedly reluctantly, share possible options and experiences.

— One of your children always reaches adolescence. Is it difficult?

- It’s difficult, the child has a whole biochemical explosion, and nothing can be done, they are pathological liars at this time, they try to do everything the opposite, they are interested in the reaction of others. Teenage children do not yet have pain experience, so they are not afraid to touch life. Yes, they don’t really conflict, they see that we are such collective farmers that we don’t need to be persuaded, we are ready to delve into the situation. But over time, since our environment is comfortable, they adequately go through this period, thank God. And with us good company, and children, everyone comes to us.

—Aren’t you worried about how your children will cope with independent life?

- In everyday life, I don’t worry - they will get out of any situation on their own. difficult situation and ten more people will be saved from the flood. Of course, I understand that everyone expects difficulties in relationships - falling in love, disappointment... But I’m also not worried, because the samurai Orthodox component will help - Oksanka, my children and I keep fasts, take communion, our sons serve as altar servers in the Church of Sophia the Wisdom of God.

— Your wife is constantly in trouble, worrying about the house and children.

“I put a lot of weight on her shoulders, but she can handle it.” If it weren't for Oksana, I would have died long ago.

- Do children help their mother?

— Of course, we have a schedule of housework duties on our refrigerator - who cleans where when.

“We are Tushino punks”

— I know that you criticize the Unified State Examination. What do you see as the disadvantages of this child certification system?

- She's vicious. As I understand it, the Ministry of Education was told about this system at the dawn of the 90s because it is multi-sectoral. Apparently, there were gigantic financial injections. But this is biased testing of children. Academic knowledge involves the sequential study of one subject. There is no such thing here. There is a selection here that is available to everyone - anyone can memorize the answer to the question. Children simply train their memory, but do not acquire knowledge. Good teacher is the one that explains, and the genius is the one that inspires. Previously, academic education developed the child simultaneously in all spectrums human activity. We didn't have to worry about memorization because we relied on the objective judgment of the exam committee. Suppose you were taught by a mathematician, and you messed up on the exam - due to lack of sleep, a sore stomach... Anything can happen! But your teacher knows that you know the subject. They gave me the opportunity to improve. Therefore, there was a more objective picture. But now everything is different: missing points means disaster for many. Talented children who are unlucky with the Unified State Exam, and their parents do not have the money to pay for admission to a university, are forced to choose the specialty they qualify for with their scores.

— Did you get into VGIK easily? Now the competition is 200 people per place.

— And then there was a wild competition! There was something like that - there was always high competition there. I did it unexpectedly easily, but I was a hardworking youth. I passed the creative exams - sent two stories, a script, then we wrote an essay. The only mystery for me so far is how I managed, being by nature a pathologically illiterate person, to write an essay with an A grade. I was amazed: probably because of nervousness... But, most likely, the nice lady who took the exam was amazed at the depth of youthful thought. Outwardly, I was very unattractive, so only the internal components could help me.

— So you went to study to become a director without any patronage?

- Absolutely. Our family was not represented in this market segment.

— Were you a fashionable student?

— I was more of a humorous character. My classmate and comrade Fedya Bondarchuk remembers me as still fashionable to the point of wildness: as if I arrived in a Tyrolean hat with a feather, with a hunting bag on which a duck was drawn. And there was no hat!

- Do you go to small homeland— in Maloyaroslavets?

— I used to travel all the time, but now I go less and less. My brother, grandmother, and great-grandmother are buried there. A wonderful young priest, Father John, serves in those parts. He performed the funeral service for my deceased brother. Father John remembers his brother all the time and takes care of the graves of my relatives. He and his mother Fotinya and I became friends. A wonderful family, they come to visit us in Moscow. They prepare endlessly delicious fireweed tea - they constantly send it to us in pillowcases. Nowadays the young clergy is mobile, very different from what it was before. The priests are intelligent, cheerful, enlightened people.

— You say that you are going to return to church soon. Would you like to serve in Moscow?

- We'll see how it goes. I really hope it’s in Moscow. I would like to be closer to the children. If you have to leave, your heart will be restless. And then - as God sends.

— Have you decided to give up cinema, are your plans only for writing?

— By September I hope to finish the book under the working title “ Unavoidable circumstances" I doubt that I will be able to do it in time, because there are a lot of household chores, but I will try.

• Evgeniy Vodolazkin, "Laurel"
• Aleksey Ivanov, “Heart of Parma”, “Gold of Rebellion” and other works
• Edward Rutherford, "NY"
• Mikhail Elizarov, "Cartoons"
• Vladimir Sharov, "Return to Egypt"
• Salman Rushdie, “The Sorceress of Florence” and other works
• Zakhar Prilepin. “I advise you to read any works by this author, because he does not write, but lives through literature,” says Okhlobystin.

— Do you write at night?

- Until four in the morning. I get up no later than 11. Lying in bed longer is inconvenient, and, to be honest, I can’t sleep.

— How did your book “Songs of the Constellation Canes Venatici” sell out?

— There have already been four reissues. Now the 4th printing is selling out, thank God.

— What does writer Ivan Okhlobystin need for inspiration at his dacha?

- Only will. Because there are thousands of distractions - drink tea, go see what’s tinkling... You have to force yourself to work, to improve. Man is such a talented creature that he can learn anything. I don’t believe that a person can not know something.

— But what about the cinema? Are you really not going to act anymore?

“I’m more interested in writing now.” I’m busy doing what I love, I have more free time, so my wife and I can plan trips, hikes, and ride bikes. While you are making money, life can pass you by. Perhaps in the future, having received an offer to star in a good movie with good money, I will agree. I was around too many people, I had too many interactions. At the same time, I love people, I involuntarily compare them with myself and understand to what extent I am imperfect. Over the course of 5.5 years, my colleagues from the Interns became practically relatives to me: Svetka Permyakova, Sanka Ilyin, Ilyukha Glinnikov... I admire them!

— Fees for books are much lower than in films. Can you cope without movie money?

“We are Tushino punks, and during the period of lack of money, Oksanka and I lived just as well and comfortably as later, when money appeared. We just began to allow ourselves a little more, we paid off our debts. I think life always compensates: if one is there, then the other is not. We need to treat this correctly. There is no need to complain, we need to try to make the most of what the Lord gives us. We happy people- we are alive and well, so it’s a sin to complain.

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Ivan Okhlobystin was born on July 22, 1966 in the Polenovo rest home, where his father worked (Zaoksky district Tula region). Graduated from the directing department of VGIK. The first film by director Okhlobystin, “The Arbiter,” won at Kinotavr in the “Films for the Elite” category in 1991. He starred in more than 40 films and was a screenwriter for 25 films. In 2001 he was ordained a priest. He served in the Tashkent diocese, then in the Moscow Church of St. Nicholas and in the Church of Sophia the Wisdom of God. In 2010, Patriarch Kirill, at the request of Okhlobystin, temporarily released him from priestly service. His wife is actress Oksana Arbuzova. The couple has six children: 20-year-old Anfisa, 19-year-old Evdokia, 18-year-old Varvara, 16-year-old Vasily, 15-year-old Ioanna and 11-year-old Savva.