Judging by the photos from the gym, of which Lately There’s quite a lot in her feed; Tina intends to take gold at the women’s fitness championship. The barbell overhead press in a seated position is only a small part of her set of measures to combat complexes. She said so herself. And we noticed: a month and a half before the first broadcast new talk show on the NTV channel, Tina lost 12 kg. - Tina, is it your idea to host the “Iron Ladies” talk show with Margarita Simonyan? - Vladimir Mikhailovich Kulistikov and I ( CEO NTV. - Approx. ed.) there have long been conversations about possible joint projects. At some point, he saw Margarita and me in NTVshniki and thought: “These two women together are like a hurricane, why not unite them?” This was solely his suggestion. - Are female duets a new trend in our TV? - Temperamental, bright, strong, successful women occupy more and more space on the airwaves of central American and European television channels. We don’t have such a school, but there is a trend in this direction. The appearance of the same Irada Zeynalova in the “Time” program is nothing more than proof of this thesis. This is no longer a neutral person speaking to people on behalf of the authorities in general terms. The trend has moved towards the presenter having his own position. Until a certain point, a distant presenter who pitted guests against each other, but remained above the fray himself, was considered good form on our television. In this sense, I absolutely agree with Margarita: this is not about us. All presenters have their own position, and why not voice it? There are a lot of things that irritate me as a person. This is both corruption and the hypocrisy of some officials. I was listening the other day morning show Sergei Dorenko, he explained it very clearly, in images. Some officials treat the country the way the African Maasai people treat their cattle. If the heifer is still fresh, will grow and give a lot of milk, you can cut a vein into it and express a little blood, but if it is no longer a heifer, but an old cow, then there is no point in waiting, you need to tear off a piece of meat and run, anyway, she is not today - will fall tomorrow. Part of the elite treats the country this way: snatch a piece - and run or sit and wait for a new moment to snatch. But, in my opinion, today a trend has emerged to change this situation; it will no longer be the same as before.
- Tina, who will go to such a broadcast? Do you have a guest list for the near future? - I have already said more than once that there are no problems with guests from the opposition and everyone will be invited. The main thing is not to be afraid, not to give a million reasons why they can’t, and to come. Well, on the part of the authorities, of course, I would like to see those who occupy the highest positions in the country. This is a great honor for any interviewer. If the talk show turns out to be interesting, if our duet with Margarita takes place, everyone will want to come to this program. - Do you and Margarita agree on the roles in advance: who is the attacker today, who is the defender? - No, of course, we don’t have such a genre division. - Is Margarita nervous on the eve of the broadcast? - What are you talking about? I would wish everyone the confidence of Margarita Simonyan. - Live broadcasting in prime time is a nerve-wracking business. But is it just about the air? You look like a woman in love. - On social networks, I quite often post photographs of the attentions that men show me, but I never name names or talk about the relationships that exist in my life. I have been divorced for a long time, I am a young woman. I fall in love and they fall in love with me. - This is a breakthrough. Just six months ago you said that you were only passionate about work. - I am a very amorous person, but at the same time I know how to control myself. And this does not interfere with business. Apparently, he’s getting old (laughs), because his priorities, of course, are work. Sometimes, you know how it happens: someone invites you to dinner, but I have contracts, clients, meetings. The most I can afford is to set aside an evening a couple of times a week to go to the movies. I am like a man: I can at certain times certain place a certain number of times (laughs).
-Have you congratulated Ksenia Sobchak on her wedding? - As all users of social media and others know, Ksenia and I stopped being friends a long time ago, so I think it’s hypocritical to congratulate a person who, at every opportunity, tries to insult you. - Nobody expected that Maxim Vitorgan... - Sorry to interrupt. I will allow myself not to comment on Ksenia’s choice. She made the decision herself, which means it is the only correct one. - The passions have subsided a long time ago, but you don’t tell us what the reason for your conflict is. Why? - There are very precise words from Shakespeare: “You are so eager to judge the sins of others, start with your own and you won’t get to others!” I always told Ksenia that our conflict with her would become a meaningless attraction for most. What the point is will not be clear to anyone, but the attraction will attract a lot of attention. But for Ksenia it is important to be a public figure: in the spotlight, in the spotlight - in any case and at any cost. This is her way and I respect it. Nothing like that happened between us. Views on what is happening in the country have changed, and, in fact, each has its own position. But unlike Ksenia, I never allow myself to give public assessments to people whom I consider friends. It’s not for me to judge my friends, my task is to help them if they have difficulties. Ksenia has a different approach: she regularly accuses me of close ties with the presidential administration and God knows what else, in general, she demonizes so much that I won’t be surprised if one fine day she says that I also eat children. But I think by that time the whole country will be laughing at this. Unlike me, Ksenia grew up surrounded by people from today's government. No matter how she behaves, she has a special relationship with the authorities, so it’s not for me to discuss them. If she wants, she will tell herself. I wish everyone happiness, including Ksenia. At this point I would close the topic.
- Tina, there is another one difficult question- about the dismissal of Tatyana Lazareva and Mikhail Shats from the STS TV channel. Do you think the reason is the low rating? - Do you want me to once again kick my colleagues with my knee and talk about the wrong numbers and the wrong ratings? I will absolutely not do this. If colleagues are talented, if colleagues are capable, if colleagues know what to do, they will definitely find a job. And if they don’t get a job, that will also be the answer. - Many people thought that you, Tatyana and Mikhail were friends. However, believe me, there are those who are sure that in childhood you and Sobchak played in the same sandbox... - I don’t think so! It's no secret that I'm from Tbilisi. She grew up in a classic Tbilisi family, where her mother was a strict and domineering woman. She never spoiled me, she raised me in trust, but in severity. I wanted blue synthetic padding boots, but I bought good Moscow ones made of leatherette, like everyone else, they say, there’s no need to show off. You must first grow within yourself, and then decorate yourself on the outside. I didn’t grow up in a golden sandbox; I certainly didn’t have a driver, security guards, or trips abroad. My parents sold the apartment, moved to a smaller one, and gave me the difference of $3,770, thus giving me the opportunity to go to Moscow and enroll in advanced training courses for radio and television employees. I am not telling this to gain sympathy or to highlight my current situation. Just stating: I had a long way to go.
-Are you and Melania a strict mother? - Melania says yes. By the way, she categorically does not like it when I talk about her. And I understand her. There are children around her who do not pay any attention to the fact that I am her mother, and they talk about me as little as possible. - Leonty doesn’t like it when you talk about him either? - Yes, he doesn’t even allow me to post his photos on social networks, and if I do this, he scolds me very much. - How old are your children now? - Melania is 13, and Leonty will be 12. - How do they surprise you at this stage? - Two things are surprising. The fact that Melania turned out to be very responsible and wise. Despite her upbringing, this is still her character. And, of course, Leonty’s artistry. I made a lot of efforts so that my son would not be artistic, to be a less emotional man, but he is growing up to be a real artist. He's good-looking. And I, as a mother, want to hope that this will not be the main advantage for which women will love him. - You are together with ex-husband are you raising children? - I don’t communicate with Andrey. But in no way do I interfere with his communication with children. He participates to the best of his ability in their lives. I welcome this.
- I have a lot of complexes! - Tina says at some point, and at this time, behind her back, they are trying to bring a bouquet of no less than a thousand burgundy roses into the office (hello from a fan); flowers do not come through the door the first time. - I'm not lying. I have a lot of doubts, a lot of weaknesses, a lot of phobias... But I have shouldered responsibility for so many people that I don’t have time to dwell on my complexes. - Can you give an example? - I have complexes about my appearance. By nature, I do not have the data that will allow me to save without extra effort for many years. good figure. What am I doing for this? I struggle with my shortcomings and I struggle quite successfully. I train a lot, don’t eat sweets, only boiled vegetables and fish - and so on every day. I also haven't traveled much. But I’m trying to fix this too. Lately I've been traveling around Europe. I've only been to America twice. I haven’t seen Australia, Japan yet, I haven’t seen what Vietnam looks like, and I also really want to go to the kingdom of Bhutan. - Not so many complexes. And they're not that scary. - Understand, I don’t fall asleep saying: “Oh, how wonderful I am!” No, I lie down and think about what I’m doing wrong, where I’m making mistakes, why I make these mistakes and how sometimes I wish there was someone nearby who would solve all these problems for me. But intellectually I understand that this is impossible. And even if it were possible, it would not be forever... Only for a short period of time, because only you yourself, regardless of whether you are a man or a woman, from beginning to end you have to make decisions in your life. No one will build or live your life for you.

Several years ago you gave an interview, after which the journalist made the following conclusion, meaning you: “Dialogue is important to her, she needs dialogue.” Is there a dialogue within you, how often do you do soul-searching?

What you are talking about is only possible when a person is left alone with himself. In order to conduct internal dialogue, you need to be interesting to yourself. And for this you need to constantly develop. I think it’s important to develop every day, every day, every minute. I worry very much when time is wasted senselessly... Yes, I am prone to dialogue with myself. I try to find time for this during the day.

I have always believed: if you are not interesting to yourself, then people will not be interested in you. This - the main problem modernity. People, on the one hand, become very lonely, on the other hand, they actively “stick” and begin to be dependent on society

Regular correspondence, presence on various social networks - all this gives an illusory feeling of constantly being in the crowd. And you definitely need to get out of the crowd if you want to move on.

Don’t you think that people are pretty fed up with social networks: Instagram, Twitter... Many simply cannot keep up with this flow.

People are rather unable to keep up with the emergence of a large number of new social networks. This, you know, is already such a singularity. No sooner had they gained a foothold on Instagram than WeChat appeared, so to speak... But such breakthroughs had already happened, for example, during the information revolution: books began to be printed, people had the opportunity to transmit information on a massive scale from generation to generation, to describe what what is happening around, share emotions and receive feedback from the readership. Behind last decade There was also another psychological, civilizational, technological transition to another level. And to say that people will leave social networks is ridiculous.

Scientists are actively engaged in neuroprogramming and the study of neural networks. This is probably where the future lies. You won't need to print anything. The possibility of liking photos using an “artificial eye” is already being discussed! I am sure that in the person himself, inside him, some kind of microgadget will soon appear that will give him the opportunity to connect to any information, to any social network at any time convenient for him.

No, no one will go anywhere, this is no longer possible. Everyone will go further and deeper. Another thing is what changes this will bring to us. Today thanks social networks everyone has the opportunity to be heard. People start streaming content much earlier than they realize its content: Andy Warhols are few among those who post “art” on Instagram, to put it mildly. Therefore, replacing content with quantity is, of course, dangerous.

Young people are no longer able to perceive long texts; a style has appeared to replace large texts with short ones, short texts with symbols, and symbols with emojis. All this is fraught. Clip thinking is no longer words, it’s reality

It was customary in your family to watch football in big company, without being shy about emotions?.. Watch games like most people - with beer and chips on the table?

Do you think I look as good all the time as I do now? Of course, I sit down in front of the TV with a large can of beer (what’s there to be shy about?!) and a bag of chips, wearing sweatpants with holes in the knees. And I’m starting to get nervous, like all the fans of our country... (Laughs.)

You know, I don’t drink beer at all: I don’t like it. Do I eat during sports broadcasts? It’s a cliché that you should eat popcorn while watching a movie, and buy beer and chips before the football broadcast. A common stereotype. Yes, I like to eat at the cinema. But when I watch the series, no. The same goes for football matches. The most I can afford is tea. After all, unlike my husband, I am not an ardent fan. That’s why he’s actively sick and screaming. And he eats too. I'm just supporting.

We mentioned the tradition of watching football matches, but are there such family traditions which you absolutely and, no matter what, intend to pass on to your children?

Traditions associated with the New Year. Cooking food together is a tradition of any Caucasian, and not only Caucasian, family. Great festive preparation for some major and significant holidays... And this happens quite noisily, deliciously, with all sorts of aromas spreading throughout the house. New Year- perhaps the most significant holiday, because it is accompanied by a lot of smells.

It is common for a person to forget everything throughout his life. The only thing he remembers completely is the smells. Tangerines, spruce, khachapuri, meat, fish - a vinaigrette of flavors that is difficult to forget. Large-scale preparation for the New Year is like a discovery new door. Faith and hope, framed by smells, make people move forward. This is why I have loved the New Year since childhood and, as an adult woman, I continue to love it.

I love weekends. I love setting the table, we have a lot of friends over, and I enjoy coming up with themed feasts. Georgian cuisine is very rich. In general, I can talk a lot about Georgian cuisine and Georgian dishes. I don’t eat them myself, but I know how to cook and love them.

For example, I am an Imeretian, but I can make both an Imeretian table and a Megrelian one. The varieties of mchadi, gomi, and khachapuri alone are enough to entertain people for several years. We called our last home party “dolma party.” I don’t eat it myself, since I don’t eat meat at all, but I can cook. Men love dolma in grape leaves with a special sauce, sour cream, and matsoni. King dish! My husband loves them very much (by the way, I didn’t like them as a child). And the other day we had dinner at a restaurant with the Kerzhakovs - Sasha and his wife Milana. And he, as it turned out, also prefers this dish.

- Don’t you really want to try at least a little, especially when you’re cooking?

I have a very serious tendency to be overweight. I really love . Even worse: I love achma, and this is actually several layers of dough in the cheese! . I love homos. But all this is simply a road to nowhere. Basically, you just need to choose what you enjoy. It's important to decide what you like best. Khachapuri with a belly? Or the absence of a belly without the presence of khachapuri? For now I stick to the second position. I know how to fight with myself. No, I can’t say that I’m so categorical. I’m not so young anymore to say: “I’ll never eat khachapuri again!”

It may well be that a period will come when I will end up in the next selection: “Celebrities who gave up on themselves.” I’ll gain about 20 kilograms, like in “Monster,” I’ll start eating khachapuri and completely give up on my figure. But for now I'm holding on

According to your interviews, you adhere to the three-strikes rule: you are willing to tolerate three violations from your employees...

It comes with age. Although I discussed this rule before - when I was younger, more categorical, and engaged in different types of activities. Today I don’t even know if we reach three warnings. In any case, I have always given and continue to give people chances. Here, after all, a lot depends on the people themselves. The question is not the number of warnings, but to quickly understand how obsessed a person is with work.

Building a startup called Match TV requires a non-trivial approach to the profession; this is not a place where you can come at 10.00 and leave at 18.00. I write letters to someone at 6.30, to someone I answer, relatively speaking, at one in the morning. I can call my team those people who live in the same regime and understand that there can be no pauses on a sports channel. Important competitions take place in different parts of the world and in different time. A schedule is being drawn up for the arrival of guests for Match TV live broadcasts, which our TV viewers are waiting for right now, since the informational reason for inviting them is in itself interesting right now.

There is no such money and there is no such labor code, with which I could oblige people to work like this. We lived like this all our lives and worked like this all our lives. For us, this is not just a profession - it is a way of life. With overwhelming and unbearable responsibility for others.

I don’t understand how you can not answer a message, how you can leave an email unread when you are a manager

If you see that a colleague is cool about work, imitating work activity... Imitators can be seen immediately, a mile away. Age and experience give me the opportunity to recognize such “passengers”. Another thing is that there is no need to delay.

Previously, I was always trying to talk to people, explain something to them, convince them. But experience has shown that hour-long conversations do not lead to anything good. I am now deeply confident that a high-quality, professional meeting lasts 15-30 minutes. After half an hour of communication, people in modern world lose concentration. Anything that happens for more than 30 minutes is completely ineffective. Communication turns into imitation and pouring from empty to empty.

- I hope this does not concern the interview.

This applies to everything. Don't get me wrong, there is an overdose of information, and there is a need to be distracted by parallel streams. The first 30 minutes are a very rich and meaningful piece of contact. And then we simply physically cannot perceive information. The world has changed.

- Do you also give your children, Leonty and Melania, a limited number of attempts to improve?

We were talking about adults, but children are children: I have a completely different relationship with them, precisely because they are children. Of course, they need to be restrained and educated. However, it is very bad when a person, being a leader at work, transfers his work rules to the family, to the home. Thank God, the children catch me in time. For them, I am first and foremost a mother. Even if they break the ban ten times, even if they break everything, I will still come, understand and help.

It is important to give the child the feeling that in a difficult moment (and it can happen at any moment in life) you can tell your mother everything, because your mother can help. What do children expect from us? Help. What do we expect from our parents? Help. It is then that we grow up and understand that they are no longer able to help us. I wish myself to be able to help my own children for as long as possible.

I am very grateful to fate that Leonty and Melania grew up as thinking people. I don't even have to give them an auto-da-fe with electronic diaries, For example. I don't even climb into them. Although children are very worried when, for example, something doesn’t go well in their studies, they try very hard not to upset me. And these are not just words: I see their thrifty attitude towards knowledge and towards me. Either the Caucasian upbringing helped, or it wasn’t Caucasian, but it’s a sin to complain.

You and your mom call it “heightened love.” Where is the line when this feeling can develop into the purposeful education of narcissistic egoists?

It all depends on the parents. I can only talk about my experience: children have obvious mistakes that they make and can make. You need to talk to them a lot and be in constant contact.

If children are spoiled, this is a problem in their upbringing. Very spoiled children tend to have very spoiled parents. Or very well-mannered, but inattentive, who were not interested in their own children. I have a very educated mother. And it would be strange if I grew up differently. She grew up on Caucasian traditions that had already become archaic. A classic excellent student, a medalist who graduated from medical school. Such a mother could not give birth to any other daughter.

- Has healthy (or unhealthy) selfishness, inherent, as a rule, in only children in a family, helped you in life?

I started working very early, taking on a large burden of responsibility on my shoulders. I got over the youthful egoism that is typical of young people very quickly. I had neither the time nor the opportunity to think exclusively about myself. It was necessary to take care of the family: the Soviet Union collapsed, my parents, who worked, suddenly one day turned out to be people who could not earn money to support their family. At the same time, a change of power began in Georgia. This was a serious blow for their generation.

The parents were at an age when it was no longer possible to adapt to new realities. My mother, who was a doctor and a respected person, was unable to adapt and get into the world of trade. Acquaintances began to participate in trade relations with Turkey, and hundreds of them flocked abroad. Someone managed to buy, sell, earn quick money, and invest it.

My mother, of course, did not fit into this life. Mom and trade are two straight lines that will never intersect. I remember very well how she tried. This bothered me very much, and I was worried because I understood that she was a doctor, a doctor from God, very talented. At one time she was the chief narcologist of one of largest districts Tbilisi. Mom helped people, they were drawn to her. And suddenly, overnight, the country changed. I'm not even talking about the difficulties that dad had. Partly all this served as an incentive for me.

I very quickly realized that I needed to earn money. I earned my first money at the age of 17, I remember it very well. After finishing my first year, I went to work on television. Then, in the summer, I received my first salary. Since then, there hasn't been a month in my life that I haven't earned money and brought it home

- Do your children now have the opportunity to earn money?

Not yet. I admit: balancing work and study is very difficult. No, I don't regret my past. Life is beautiful because it is much more interesting and logical than all our dissatisfaction with it. But, of course, I was worried that I did not have the opportunity to go abroad to study. I love you very much English language. I still read a lot in English and watch movies in the original dubbing. A 3-4 month study abroad would give me an additional layer of knowledge. But all these things passed me by.

We need to give our own children the opportunity to study (if they have the desire, of course). My children have a desire to learn, so I provide both one and the other with this opportunity. They don't spend a minute idle. All the time with teachers, with teachers, with teachers... And at the moment when they have to go to work, they will go, because all their adult lives they have seen my example before them

They know very well the value of every ruble that I earned. They saw my development all my life, they saw how much I worked, they saw how much effort I put and am putting in to develop and move forward. But they will go to work when they need it and the time comes to gain practical knowledge.

Many of our compatriots have gone wild: they are getting divorced, getting married, getting divorced, getting married... Don’t you have the feeling that the institution of marriage in Russia has completely collapsed?

Oh, well, I’m not Roza Syabitova! This is for her. ( Smiles.) First of all, this is a problem big cities, and it remains a problem in big cities. An adult woman can remain unmarried, and this status is no longer condemned by society.

In America, you see, the film “Erin Brockovich” is still very popular. (biographical film about the human rights activist. - Ed.). Moreover, many films are associated with the manifesto of a young 40-year-old woman who chooses freedom and self-development. Secondly, medicine is developing rapidly, which has already made a significant leap and contributed to the “shift” of age-related aging to a much more later years than before. These are all interconnected things that are currently a cultural and social trend.

Our beloved Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin paid great attention to the female leg. They loved a woman’s leg, they fought for it in duels, sometimes without seeing a face that might have disappointed and tempered the man’s ardor. A woman's leg was an object of desire and dreams. It’s not for me to tell you which leg we are talking about at the moment. From face to naked body - literally one click. Against this background, any moral and ethical standards are erased.

European laxity certainly leads to moral depravity. A lot of people have a lot of time. And all this against the backdrop of an almost complete absence of role models.

Unfortunately, we have very few strong women who would explain to their young fans that relying on a man as the main support of their lives is, at the very least, stupid

According to research by German scientists, a human being is capable of having meaningful relationships three times throughout his life. They take suspended sentences: 20-30, 30-40 and approximately 40-50 years. This is probably true, because in a big city today, for example, it is extremely difficult to maintain the relationships of classmates who loved each other in school years and meeting, for example, decades later.

Of course, today we are still moving towards the European model, when a woman is not an “appendix” to her husband, she must earn money and be independent in decision-making. Although recently I asked my friend: “Why do you need this girl?” He says: “Listen, everyone is looking at her. She is a beautiful accessory"

But accessories have a seasonality, and ladies should understand this: today - one, tomorrow - another. Be prepared to be changed.

- What did the stamp in your passport give you, why did you decide to get married again?

I note that this became known only after the media published my husband’s tax return. He works in the civil service, so... My name appeared in the declaration, and it became clear that I was his wife. Very funny! Everyone immediately started discussing me, a classic story. But we have been together for nine years.

Let's just say we were ready to move on to the next stage. What is relationship formalization? Formalizing relationships provides additional opportunities. Yesterday, for example, I filled out a form to obtain a voluntary health insurance policy. Only relatives can be included in VHI - husband or wife, children... In general, if we were not husband and wife, we would not be able to enter our names into the policy. I'm joking now, of course.

When you realize that you may be ready to move to another level, that you will have children... I can’t yet tell you what will happen tomorrow in our relationship, but we have really been together for many years. And at some point we came to this idea.

We wanted to get married many times, but somehow it didn’t work out. It happened in 2015. Two years ago we realized: if we don’t do this now, we will never do it again. When no children were born in your marriage or before it, when you live together for a long time, you want changes to happen in your life. After all, I want a holiday

Nobody expected us to do this. We were funny and our friends were funny. The groom, as always, was late for the painting. We had only one witness. Nevertheless, they signed. The dress this time was white. Already good.

For a long time, you did not particularly “shine” your husband Vasily Brovko on social networks. Although they did post his photo a couple of times - for what?

The funny thing is that it was not my husband. These were our two closest comrades, who are still laughing: the backs of the heads of one and the other are still mistaken for the back of my husband’s head. But I will not “publish” the names, because these people are our close friends. But it's very funny.

- The media quickly picked up these photos!

Yes! And we laugh when I say: “Again, look!” A friend sometimes says: “Well, you see: the back of my head is so popular that everyone mistakes it for the back of Vasily’s head.” Yes, I like to joke and make jokes. I hope I don’t greatly injure the public with this.

How often do I go on holiday to France? No. I’ve just spent every winter there for the last 3-4 years. The French winter resorts are very good. France has its own enormous advantages. And obvious disadvantages. I like to vacation there, but I would never want to live there.

I don't have real estate in France. And in general, I have nothing abroad. Moreover, I don't dream about it. Although I know a large number of people who say: “I want to earn money for an apartment in Spain or a house in France.” I don't want anything anywhere. I want - in Russia, I will build here

Now I don't go on vacation often. And if I travel somewhere during the year, it’s around Russia. I can live in any country in the world, I have a large number of relatives in America. But I absolutely consciously chose Russia many years ago. I haven't had a day where I regretted it.

Melania, whom you named, as it happens, in honor of the future first lady of the United States, follows politics in the States?

She has known about this story since childhood, she knows about Melania Trump, but Leonty is more interested in politics. My son pays attention to all these videos. My daughter doesn’t have time for this: she’s going to enroll this year. And Leonty - yes, he pays attention, he is ironic, we exchange videos with each other. I'm also watching what's going on. It's really funny there.

The election campaign is over, but the campaign that has begun now, of course, makes it an absolute meme. Obama was not a meme; his arrival - due to American values, due to his origin and biography, due to his personality - was perceived as another breakthrough to new heights.

In the situation with Donald Trump, everyone seems to have broken free. An extraordinary figure!

TV presenter, businesswoman, mother of two children Tina Kandelaki in an interview with Vadim Vernik for OK!

Photo: Natalie Arefieva

Tina Kandelaki- an example to follow. A bright and charismatic TV presenter who has practically no free minute - endless filming, meetings, interviews, she always looks impeccable. Fresh, rested, with perfectly clean skin and radiant eyes. How does she manage to do this?

Tina, tell us about your daily beauty ritual?

I start and end my day by thoroughly cleansing and moisturizing my skin. Even if I came home after work well after midnight, I never go to bed without washing off my makeup. I will definitely find a few minutes to take care of myself.

What makeup do you prefer for every day?

On days free from filming, I practically don’t use makeup. Only mascara, lipstick and lip gloss. I don't like it when I have a lot of powder or foundation on me.

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What is your beauty taboo?

It's probably purple lipstick. There are some noisy things that cover a person, serve as a kind of mask. I don't need to hide my individuality. On the contrary, I want to emphasize it.

So when it comes to makeup, you are more of a conservative than an experimenter?

I just think it's not the makeup that should be paramount. It is impossible to change your face and you should not be afraid of your face. Often behind experiments there is a desire to change or hide something that does not suit you. Well then you can hide behind a veil, for example. I am for naturalness in everything and self-love.

Which part of your face do you consider the most beautiful?

I've always been told that I have expressive eyes.

If you were asked to choose the most important cosmetic product for you, what would it be?

Mascara. Men always remember the look, and then consider everything else.

That's why you became the face of the new Hyper Length mascara fromOriflame, which will be available in May?

Yes. In addition, I always keep my finger on the pulse and keep abreast of the latest developments. I was delighted with the results I got after using this mascara. It not only instantly lengthened my eyelashes, but also noticeably strengthened them after several weeks of use.

Tina, tell me, did you have any doubts when the companyDid Oriflame offer you a collaboration?

No. Their politics is close to me. The main principles of Oriflame are that any woman can achieve success in Russia. I completely agree with this.

Do you like strong women?

Yes, I admire strong women, from Cleopatra to Margaret Thatcher. I educate myself and position myself as strong woman. For many modern women Happiness in the classical sense does not work out - getting married once and living happily ever after with your husband. But that doesn't mean they can't be happy. They must learn to be happy in the position they are in. It is not easy.

Advice from Tina Kandelaki to site readerscosmo.ru

Girls, love yourself as you are and be happy!

Photo: press service of Tina Kandelaki, Oriflame / Text: Irina Bagaeva

General producer sub-holding "Match TV", owner of a Georgian restaurant, participant in the national educational project"Smart School", partner in the development of an elite cottage village, public figure- that's not five different women, and one, Tina Kandelaki. She also has enough strength to maintain her pages on social networks, meet with friends, and go to social events. Tina is an athlete and a beauty, which also requires a lot of time. Finally, she is wise loving mother two teenagers and a very family man. How to fit all this into one life? Tina gave the necessary guidelines.

Tina, in 2010, your divorce from artist Andrei Kondrakhin was widely discussed in the press. But your new marriage - with the 29-year-old Director of Communications and Strategic Research of the Rostec State Corporation Vasily Brovko - became known only this summer. Why did you hide your new marriage for so long?

I haven't advertised mine for a long time personal life and I am not talking about the change in my status, nor about many other facts that concern only me. It seems to me that people who are interested in me will first of all want to read about what I do. And am I married or not yet, for them of great importance does not have. There are enough fairies who talk about their weddings without me.

Well, yes, I got married - I confirm it officially. By the way, big secret there was no such thing in my marriage, because my husband is a civil servant and is obliged to publish his income and the income of family members. Accordingly, the fact that I married Vasily was confirmed by his income declaration, which is in the public domain.

Is your refusal to have your children, Melania and Leonty, photographed for this interview, also explained by your reluctance to advertise your personal life?

In one of your interviews, you admitted that with Vasily, whom you have known for many years, you “grew and developed together.” Please comment on this phrase.

We both worked a lot before we met, and after that we started working even more. Both together and on their own. In addition, both Vasily and I are lucky: we are doing what we love, each in our own field. And when people do what they like, they certainly develop and change in better side. Information is constantly updated in our lives, a lot of interesting things happen, and this brings us closer. In addition, he is a very active and passionate person, just like me. So here, too, we have a lot in common.

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You and Vasily are co-owners of the Apostol center for strategic communications (at least, that’s what it says on Wikipedia). You have practically family business. How has marriage helped you realize yourself in your work?

We both left the shareholders of Apostol a long time ago. I am already too old a woman for marriage to help me achieve self-realization in some way.

I think it’s wonderful when people are in a relationship and get a little “invented” from each other. Our “halves” seem to us smarter, better, slimmer than they really are, and even in the shortest brunette you can see a stately blue-eyed blond. It’s the same with Vasily: during the time that we are together, he invented me, and I invented him. We both have a good sense of humor, I hope we still have self-irony. So we were not too lazy to make efforts to make our fantasies come true. That is, we are dreamers, but not egoists. We are capable of change. Otherwise, why live with a person when you are no longer able to surprise each other with anything.

One of my friends said that art makes a person happy. That is, real art gives happiness, and that which does not give is not art at all. So it is in the art of marriage. It exists to make people happy.

Compromises?

Yes, of course, any marriage is a compromise, this is a truism. Nowadays, people's choice has expanded greatly: you can travel all over the world, communicate with completely different people, buy any food or things. The choice of relationships has also become very diverse. People get to know each other and start exchanging gigabytes of content. They constantly write SMS, communicate on Viber, WhatsApp and Telegram. But usually, having quickly become close, people just as quickly become disappointed in each other.

I’ve already said it and I’ll repeat it again: in order to remain interesting to another person, you need to be ruthless with yourself and constantly force yourself to develop. From a certain age, a person begins to think that he has achieved everything he wanted and freezes, taking on a certain form. It's hard with people like that.

I am a constantly doubting person. While there are doubts, there is an incentive for self-development. When people value each other and value relationships, they are always ready for mutual compromise. Even with difficult characters.

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Do you manage to get together with the whole family?

I am a normal Georgian woman and I love everything related to family comfort and flavor. All this is in my life. I am always amazed when I hear questions: “You are so busy, when do you have time to take care of the children?” Yes, if a person wants something, he will always find time for it. For example, I spend time only on what interests me, and therefore I manage to do everything. Besides, I'm a producer, don't forget that. If I can't produce own life, then how can I produce anything else?

I have a rule: weekdays are for study and work, and weekends are for family. On the weekends I always cook something, we all get together: dacha, wine, good mood. I'm just like any other working woman. I love gifts and attention. Thinking in categories Office romance“It’s been out of fashion for a long time. Moreover, in the film, the woman still defeated the female boss.

How did you achieve such perfection in the art of time management? What did you have to give up, what habits did you have to acquire?

Don’t over-praise me, otherwise I’ll become proud, and people will still have to live with me. There is nothing complicated about this. This can be mastered by anyone who is able to make a choice. You need to clearly understand what you want to do and what you will have to sacrifice. I probably don’t spend much time with friends, I don’t travel that much, I haven’t learned Italian and French, and I sincerely envy those who know these languages. I could live another life, only in China, and another in India, but this is impossible, which is a pity.

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Please tell us about your mother and how she raised you.

Elvira Georgievna is a classic Caucasian woman, the head of the family. At one time, she was the best graduate of the Yerevan Medical Institute, a medalist, an excellent student. She always worked hard and that served me well good example. My mother “invested” a huge amount of time and effort into my education. She told me: “Study, Tinochka, and you will become a man!”

I hope I turned out to be a person, because I studied very hard. And not only because my mother was strict with me. I myself realized early on that only constant self-education gives us the opportunity to move forward.

Do you use your mother’s principles in raising your children?

The world has changed a lot since my childhood. I was Soviet child, and my children are already completely different, and the methods of my Soviet Georgian childhood of the late 80s will not suit them.

Concerning basic values, then everything is unchanged here, our traditions are passed on from generation to generation: respect for elders, mutual assistance in the family, help for loved ones, love for relatives - these are the basics of the Caucasian family. After all, it cannot be that my mother and I recognize Caucasian values, but Melania and Leonty do not. Of course, all this is important for them too. But in other things I give them more freedom, because I think: with today’s volume of information, it makes no sense to raise children in the spirit of dogmas and prohibitions. This does not work.

Children learn a lot not from us thanks to development information technologies. We do not have the ability to control everything, we can only comment and discuss. And their perception also depends on this. Today, they have access to any information, both valuable and harmful. Therefore, I believe that prohibitions are not a method, but communication with children has an excellent educational effect. You need to talk to them from childhood, and do this as often as possible. Only personal communication helps them feel loved.

Modern children are very lonely. In the Soviet system, from childhood you immediately got into the team. Now the collective has been destroyed, but the individual has not been raised. Delight that modern schoolboy There is no more individuality than the Soviet one. There is more loneliness.

By what criteria did you select schools for them? Are you thinking about foreign education for children?

We chose a school together, went and chose. If children want to change schools, they need to be transferred to where they will study. It should be their choice (my personal opinion). This year they are graduating from Russian school and will continue their studies here too. I have hired many people and am convinced that Western education is good for the West. If you are going to work here, then you need to study here. Of course, you need to go for an internship. But you need to study the first three or four courses in your own country.

Your daughter Melania is now 16 years old. It is not so rare for girls in Georgia to get married at this age. Are you not afraid of this possibly imminent prospect? What advice can you give to all young girls?

I hope that my mother’s experience and my own are before Melania’s eyes, and she understands perfectly well: in this life, a woman needs to constantly develop herself. The modern institution of marriage does not guarantee that a woman will be provided for the rest of her life. To respect yourself, to be confident in yourself, you need to educate yourself. All girls, especially in our country, doubt and grow into equally insecure women. If you develop self-confidence, then everything will work out for you. If there is no will, there will be no victory. Beauty and femininity alone are not enough in the modern world to become happy. I hope Melania understands this.

How did you solve the problem of raising your son as a man after the divorce?

I have never tried to replace Leonty’s father, but, like any thinking mother, I do everything so that he has the qualities necessary for a man, a worthy man. He chooses many things himself, be it the FSO class in which he studies, or boxing classes. He is a boy with a strong character who knows well what he needs in life. It’s genes, character or my upbringing – it seems to me that it doesn’t really matter. The most important thing is that at a very young age he learned to make choices and take responsibility for them.

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Your children are now at a very difficult age (Melania is 16, Leonty is 15 years old). Even when there is only one teenager at home, this is already life on a volcano, and you have two of them. How do you get out of conflicts?

I won’t say that we don’t have conflicts. In a Caucasian family, talking not in a raised voice is not talking at all. But we have a very close relationship. I tell them: “Children, no matter what difficulties we encounter, everything can be discussed.” If we talk, we will understand each other and figure out any situation.

Conflicts arise solely from a lack of attention, which children at this age really need. I do everything so that children do not feel deprived of my attention. I also try to extinguish the conflict in its infancy. Firstly, I’m older, and secondly, more experienced. And I don’t yet have such memory problems that I can’t remember myself at the age of 16. My children are just as overly emotional and, moreover, they are maximalists: for them there is white or black, one way or another, “I’ll do it today or I’ll never do it.” What to do in such a situation? Just support the child, tell him: “Okay, let's do it as you want.” And even if he is wrong, there is nothing wrong with that. It's important to be close. You and I make mistakes even at 40 years old, but what do you want from 16-year-olds? The main thing is that the mistake leads to the acquisition of experience, and not to injury.